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  1. #1
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    My Orthopedic Food/Ankle Doctors aren't giving me answers. PLEASE HELP

    Age and Activity History: I am a 33 year old male, 5'9", 170 lbs.
    I played sports (tennis, hockey, ski racing, running, biking, hiking) my entire life and I have lead a very active lifestyle. So, I have put my ankles and feet to use over the years. I played these sports at a high level and ultimately went to college to play (point being, I was constantly and aggressively using my feet and ankles). I continue to maintain an active lifestyle (biking, tennis, hiking, running), but my ankle/feet pain has gotten to the point where I cannot run or seemingly walk for long distances without waking up the next morning in agonizing pain (which lasts for weeks - and at the worst, I am crawling on my hands and knees because I cannot put any weight on my feet).

    Medical History:
    I have flat feet that pronate inward. I broke my left fibula near the ankle in 2009 (I was placed in a boot, and I probably started walk on it too early - the left calf muscle atrophied slightly and it has never been the same as my right calf). I have sprained my left and right ankles twice each over the last 20 years, but nothing serious. I had damage to my right lis-franc ligament in 2010 - not a complete tear but strained. I started to develop a bunion on my left big toe in 2015, my right foot is fine.


    Problem
    : For the past five years, I have had on/off flare ups of ankle and feet swelling. Initially, the pain would start during the first hike or trail run after ski season in the spring - I would come down on my left foot (as a reminder, I broker my left fibula in 2009) and and if the ankle went to far in EVERSION I would get a stabbing pain under at the bottom of the lateral malleolus. The ankle would swell, and the pain and swelling would spread to the top of my Talus then move down the forefoot on the top of the foot. Over time, the "flare ups" have occurred more frequently and and this past year I began having intense pain in my right ankle/foot (following a moderate hike), in addition to the pain/swelling in my left ankle/foot. In my right foot, I do not get the significant stabbing pain under my lateral malleolus, but the top of my Talus at the base of my shin will become extremely painful and the pain would spread to my forefoot. On both the left and right foot, when the pain spreads from the ankle to the forefoot, it is usually on the outer 4 metatarsals (never on the big toe metatarsal).

    Most recently, in addition to the areas of pain mentioned above, the pain is now presenting itself under the medial malleolus (mostly on my left foot, but my right foot is also having issues).

    To Date, Doctors have told me:


    • in 2019, a doctor casually glossed over the fact that he thought he noticed slight bruising at the bottom of my lateral malleolus. He said I probably just rolled me ankle and sent me on my way.
    • Sinus Tarsi Syndrome. In 2021, I had an MRI done and a doctor noticed a cyst growing in the sinus tarsi, so he gave me a steroid injection. It really didn't help, as my symptoms have continued to get worse.
    • Gout. In 2022, I was just tested for Gout and Rheumatoid Arthritis, and my bloodwork came back negative for both. I eat healthy and drink moderately. I had X rays done with the doctor, and it showed I have bone spurs on both Talus. I had to mark up the X Rays myself and ask the doctor specific questions, after he told me my X Rays look fine and that he thinks I have Gout (which I do not have).
    • Loose ligaments. In 2022, I went back to the doctor that injected my sinus tarsi and I asked if he could scope my ankles to remove bone spurs, look at shaving the bottom of my left lateral malleolus, and clean up scarring/soft tissue issues in my sinus tarsi. He pulled on my left ankle once and said I should get "internal bracing" surgery where he would cut my ligaments and tighten them, in addition to scoping the ankle joint and cleaning it up. He came to this conclusion without reviewing an MRI. He was with me for 3 minutes and left. I do not want to jump to such a significant surgery after such a casual examination. I asked if he would just scope the joint, and he recommended against it and that I should do the full surgery in addition to the scope.



    I have been going down rabbit holes and researching different causes of pain, like what I am experiencing. Because I have bone spurs on my taluses, my best guess is that I might have:

    • osteoarthritis aggravated by bone spurs
    • improperly aligned ankles (caused by bone spurs and my broken fibula), leading to joint grinding
    • sinus tarsi syndrome
    • some type of degenerative disease causing my ligaments to micro tear (I have found nothing to support this, but who knows).



    Photos attached. I am opening this up to to see if anyone is willing to take more than 1 minute to look at my X Rays and MRI, compare to the symptoms I am describing, and tell me what they think might be causing my problem. It looks like I can't post the X Rays MRI here, so I can send it to anyone via email.


    Thanks for any feedback.
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    Last edited by kapow3583; 11-09-2023 at 02:30 PM.

  2. #2
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    Have you tried drinkin piss? It’s sterile and tastes delicious

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    yea, no luck. thanks man.
    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Have you tried drinkin piss? It’s sterile and tastes delicious

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    i really thought the piss thing would work...

  5. #5
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    I think a good FOOD ankle doctor could help.
    It’s all digestion. And biotics.

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    Yeah, asking for help on TGR is not well received by the shitstains.

    Foot issues are a tough one. Causes may be multiple and complex. Sounds like you are chasing it down. I have been dealing with PF in the left foot this year and due to this my right is also having a bit of issue. For me massage and stretching seems to reap the best benefit. Although not completely gone.

    I am sure you have tried anti inflammatory meds natural and man made?

    What about PRP or even stem cells?
    watch out for snakes

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    Yup.

    Classic case of Sausage Foot.

    Seen it a million times.

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    Get some thc salve and some traumeel and see if that helps.

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    I'd side with the osteo diagnosis. Whatever it is i'd lay off the running, hiking and tennis. That sounds like the major source for setbacks. Stick to just biking to keep the blood flow going to the injury. Any of my serious ankle breaking buds are strictly cyclists at this point. Ankle replacement and foot fixes are nowhere near as successful as knee,hip, shoulders etc unfortunately. Maybe there's a stem cell treatment?

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    Thanks! If anyone knows any great ankle docs and/or PT I could talk with, I will reach out to whomever wherever.

    Appreciate the input. Driving down from Idaho to meet with an ortho in SLC next Friday. I hope it's just a bad case of bone spurs that can be shaved down.

    If its arthritic, I'll ask about platelet treatment and stem cells. Definitely don't want to fuse or replace the ankles at my age.

    Traumeel is new to me. I'll give it a shot.

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    My Orthopedic Food/Ankle Doctors aren't giving me answers. PLEASE HELP

    PRP isn’t covered by insurance afaik and is pricey w dubious results. My pod friend thinks it’s snake oil

    Hard to know what treatment is best without knowing the root cause (and does it really come from the ankle)

    See what the Ortho has to say and ask their experienced working on feet/ankles. I’d prob try to find a podiatrist that does a lot of ankle work and see them as well just for reference.
    Last edited by mcski; 11-14-2023 at 11:50 AM.

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    Traumeel main active ingredient is arnica montana, old German formula.

    They were bought out by Medinatura.

    You can also buy arnica oil and cream.


    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailyme...d&type=display
    watch out for snakes

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    Do you have X-rays or MRI pics of you ankle that you might post?

    Have you tried rehab?
    fighting gravity on a daily basis

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    Wanted to throw this out there also. There is a device known as a Light Beam Generator or LGB. It was originally developed to improve lymphatic system drainage. Turns out it is also good to reduce swelling and edemas.

    Many pro bicyclists have used it along with specialized massage to shorten recovery, eliminate waste and swelling in tissue after max out put.

    I have one and have used it numerous times.

    Worth checking into.
    watch out for snakes

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