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  1. #276
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    I think there are a lot of people that got into big bikes via Kona circa here:
    https://issuu.com/wastedqba/docs/2k5_catalog
    www.dpsskis.com
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    formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
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  2. #277
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    SSU insolvency and the bike industry generally

    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post
    I'd like to see them focus on things other than the crowded (and expensive to develop) full suspension market - - steel bikes, hardtails, fun weird touring / gravel / cross bikes, commuter bikes. Basically Surly but do it with better parts spec, better geometry, and lower price.
    So… Salsa.

    Thinking out of the box - it’d be awesome if they went all Ti. Classic model names, classic graphics, modern geo and bits, all Ti. No FS; just road, gravel, commuting, and hardtails.

    There’s not really a Ti option other than smaller / custom companies….


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  3. #278
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    So… Salsa.

    Thinking out of the box - it’d be awesome if they went all Ti. Classic model names, classic graphics, modern geo and bits, all Ti. No FS; just road, gravel, commuting, and hardtails.

    There’s not really a Ti option other than smaller / custom companies….
    Speaking of Ti, Lynskey has been having a fire sell the last few months. Road and gravel frames - all sizes for $850.. Hope things are ok over there...
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  4. #279
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    Sick. Coincidentally yesterday I pulled my old Unit 26" off the wall for the first time in a couple of years, gave a quick tune up and hit a few trail laps on the old girl. Viva Kona!
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  5. #280
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    Pretty sure Lynskey was building Kona's Ti frames. The convergence looks good

  6. #281
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    Sandvik built them, I believe starting with the Hei Hei. I had one in the late 90s and it was a Sandvik.

  7. #282
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    Quote Originally Posted by tellybele View Post
    Sandvik built them, I believe starting with the Hei Hei. I had one in the late 90s and it was a Sandvik.
    I always thought of Sandvik as a tubing manufacturer. Did they build frames too?

  8. #283
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    Yup, welds were very nice as well as the bullet capped tubes at the dropouts. Not sure if or how the tubing was butted.

  9. #284
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    Man the Kona thing is like 3D chess…

    1.) drive company out of relevance in the bike market.

    2.) pump it to the moon during covid.

    3.) sell it to a PE firm for mega bucks.

    4.) hand PE firm a big ball of shit.

    5.) have PE firm drive out expensive legacy employees, exit leases, and deal with the bill for over ordering during covid.

    6.) buy back for pennies on the dollar with bled down inventory and lean staff.

  10. #285
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    I always thought of Sandvik as a tubing manufacturer. Did they build frames too?
    Sandvik had a factory called TST that made OEM frames for a number of brands

  11. #286
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshal Olson View Post
    Sandvik had a factory called TST that made OEM frames for a number of brands
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jax View Post
    Love my Rapha vest as well as their wool leg warmers. Didn't seem like they needed their NA office, stuff ships from UK if you order direct anyways. Takes awhile but IMO worth it. You'd think if they were going under they wouldn't have so many riders on their stuff nowadays, usually the first sign of impending doom when they drop their riders. As smmokan said- Walton money, I doubt they are going anywhere.
    The US presence may have been a UK tax write-off scheme. Mountain Equipment pulled this off in the 2010's. Ask TAFKALVS for details.

    Quote Originally Posted by farmguy View Post
    For all my biking related cloths, road/gravel or MTB I go to Endura. VERY VERY nice quality, stuff lasts forever and it is 1/3 of Rapha and the other high end stuff.

    https://us.endurasport.com/
    I've seen some nice Endura gear but the HUGE LOGOS always turn me off. Looking at their website, they have a pair of $250 bibs, but they are also ok with low-spec/low-cost that the Rapha's of the world don't, presumably because they are not willing to water down the brand market position just yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by TAFKALVS View Post
    Man the Kona thing is like 3D chess…

    1.) drive company out of relevance in the bike market.

    2.) pump it to the moon during covid.

    3.) sell it to a PE firm for mega bucks.

    4.) hand PE firm a big ball of shit.

    5.) have PE firm drive out expensive legacy employees, exit leases, and deal with the bill for over ordering during covid.

    6.) buy back for pennies on the dollar with bled down inventory and lean staff.
    I view it as sort of a margin-call situation where they weren't willing or couldn't afford the 10x order commitments that were being demanded by suppliers to get product for the upcoming season, so they made the choice to get an infusion of cash to keep the brand alive. It was just a bad deal and in the end it might have a chance to turn out ok for the founders.

  13. #288
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    Quote Originally Posted by sfotex View Post
    Speaking of Ti, Lynskey has been having a fire sell the last few months. Road and gravel frames - all sizes for $850.. Hope things are ok over there...
    I think/hope they're fine, it's part of their MO to have big sales for most of the year. I got a GR 300 complete this winter and have been digging it, hope they're staying afloat.

  14. #289
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    I hope the guys at kona bought it back and made a BUNCH of money on the sell vs buyback


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