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08-12-2024, 12:27 PM #4326Registered User
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50 years to the day
Send me a vid
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decode...6667274_8.html
It’s wild to me that it’s so important for your demonization of hamas that it was true. As if murdering civvies isn’t enough
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08-12-2024, 12:35 PM #4327
There was an unsupported claim of 40 beheaded babies. That's not what I wrote, however. The Israeli government showed graphic photos of babies who were killed and/or burned by Hamas. They also showed videos of decapitations. Even The Guardian confirmed the videos, "The material included the killing of children and decapitation of some victims."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-of-atrocities
And according to an NPR reporter who watched the videos, "In one of the most gruesome scenes screened to foreign media, a man calls out for a knife and calls to cut off a wounded man's head, before attempting to behead him with a garden hoe."
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/27/12088...videos-details
Like I said, I personally saw the video described in the NPR story before it was taken down.
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08-12-2024, 12:46 PM #4328
My friend saw some of the beheading and dead baby vids/images. It crushed him. I chose not to bear witness that way.
I agree with all that except for the tyranny of lower expectations for the Palestinians which is also unfair to the Israelis. You can call for the highest standards for the Israelis, ideally. Clearly the SA subject currently at hand in no circumstance can it be hand waved or excused.
Stepping back to the bigger picture of conflict, it is damned hard for the Israelis to held to the highest standard in the world by a world that also excuses their opponent of having to live up to even lower standards because for some reason they are not expected to. The solution isn't excusing the Israelis, but it is recognizing that double standard and demanding the Palestinians live up to the highest standard. The Nazis weren't excused for being barbaric. Hamas?Originally Posted by blurred
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08-12-2024, 12:48 PM #4329
i don’t think israel ever claimed 40 babies were beheaded - it seems like the people who ran with that used it to smear any supporters of
israel.
but there were beheadings, besides the thai guy which was widely shared they also ransomed the head of a solder (or tried to)
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-782655
guess the rumors came from somewhere?j'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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08-12-2024, 12:49 PM #4330
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08-12-2024, 12:54 PM #4331
Hamas is made up of Palestinians and to this day has widespread support among Palestinians. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. If Israel withdrew from the West Bank Hamas would throw Fatah leaders from rooftops and take over the next day.
There is an enormous gap between what Westerners think the Palestinian cause is and what Palestinians think the Palestinian cause is. For peace to happen, there has to be Palestinian governments in the West Bank and Gaza that does not want to see Israel destroyed as its only goal:
https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1815828618418761848
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08-12-2024, 12:56 PM #4332
Hamas, the Gazan government duly elected by the Palestinians who are still favored and whose actions are supported by Palestinians despite their despotic, theocratic, gang-like, corrupt, oppressive, murderous, genocidal, democidal, and suicidal actions.
The expectations for both Hamas and Palestinians should be exactly the same as the standards the Israeli government and Israelis are held to.
Holding Hamas to a lower standard than the Israeli government cheapens their crimes and creates an unequal moral field.
Holding Palestinians to a lower standard than the Israeli people is a racist attitude of tyrannically low expectations that reduces their human value and robs them of agency.Originally Posted by blurred
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08-12-2024, 01:11 PM #4333
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08-12-2024, 01:12 PM #4334
Since you ask on the racist bit, maybe it is racist or maybe it is Islamophobic to believe that it is OK for Palestinians to operate a lower moral standard than Israelis.
As a point of fact, Palestinians are a nearly monolithic ethnoreligiously: 99+% Arab and 98+% Sunni Muslim and 1+% Shia Muslim, <1% Christian.
Israelis are a multiethnic multireligious society, ethnically the largest groups are mixed Middle Eastern, African, Caucasian, Asian, after than unitary origin in the previously mentioned order, then Arab and and the other 5% of various. Religiously the Israelis are 73% Jewish (variety of types), 18% Muslim (variety of types), 2% Christian, 2% Druze, and 5% of various other beliefs from Bahia to Atheism to Zoroastrianism.
It is bigoted to say one society is fine to have lower standards.Originally Posted by blurred
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08-12-2024, 01:33 PM #4335Originally Posted by blurred
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08-12-2024, 01:52 PM #4336Registered User
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Sounds like a full of shit claim. As I said, zero evidence of decapitated piles of babies. Links to vids that exist shouldn’t be a problem w the internet. Hamas likes to promote evil, remember?
“My friend saw this, blah blah” bullshit
It doesn’t even matter in the overall scope on the atrocity, it’s an unnecessary an embellished claim and unsupported - even though claims at the time said there was video of everything. We know Men, Women, and children were killed. The end. The rest is propaganda
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08-12-2024, 02:03 PM #4337
I described watching the video contemporaneously in this thread last October 8th, "There's video of a Hamas terrorist beheading an already dying Israeli civilian with a garden hoe" and you're arguing NPR made up the story almost a month later after reading about it on TGR?
And I agree Hamas wasn't trying to hide any of it. They celebrated every murder with dancing in the streets. From page one October 7th of this thread, "The demented videos and images of civilians, entire families, executed in the streets are coming from pro-Hamas groups. Disturbing acts of terror directed at civilians. The militants aren't trying to hide it. Totally insane savagery."
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08-12-2024, 02:38 PM #4338Registered User
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Uh, what’s that got to do w the mystery of decapitated baby piles? More of your typical blah blah
I don’t really give a shit if it did or didn’t happen because at the end of the day, the result is the same.
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08-12-2024, 02:42 PM #4339
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08-12-2024, 02:47 PM #4340
It happened and it's been obvious from the start that you don't give a shit
This video is worth watching if for no other reason than better understanding the Palestinian point of view:
https://x.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1815828618418761848
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08-12-2024, 03:00 PM #4341
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08-12-2024, 03:06 PM #4342
Hezbollah has evacuated their headquarters in Beirut, no doubt relocating to a school or hospital, as is the style.
OSINT reports increased activity from Iranian missile units and drone units.
Iranian militias in Iraq released a statement threatening full attacks on US forces if the US interferes with attacks on Israel.Originally Posted by blurred
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08-12-2024, 03:07 PM #4343
Well, not knowing who she is I'm certainly not going to defend her. Nor does she have anything to do with the video apart from posting it. It does illustrate however how for a lot of people Middle East conflict is based on their own domestic political neurosis. It's like people are watching two different movies.
The main point is an overwhelming majority of Palestinians still support Hamas to this day. And I do think Jan 6th is a good example of the domestic phenomena. Most of us here are rightly appalled by what happened on Jan 6th and also understand Russia interferes in American domestic politics. They help foment unrest. At the same time, too many of us who lean blue fail to recognize how violent pro-Hamas-Palestinian protests are similarly driven in large part by foreign propaganda. Only instead of Russia it's coming from Qatar and Iran.
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08-12-2024, 04:35 PM #4344Registered User
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Hamas are terrorists. I expect them to act accordingly.
Israel is a modern, western, first world country and a leader of an important geographic region in the world. I expect them to act accordingly.
I am not excusing Hamas. I am rightfully assuming that they will act as terrorists do. That is their purpose, that is their history, that is their future as far as anyone can tell. Pure evil that needs to be removed. Period.
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08-12-2024, 06:18 PM #4345
Where are we sending these jets?
I doubt turkey would accept more now should we trust them. The Iraq base could be over run quickly, I guess there are plenty of options, but if the whole region goes up in flames,
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08-12-2024, 06:24 PM #4346
Summit, stop arguing with hypocrites who themselves live on stolen land.
This is hilarious, let’s go back to 1946, tell Truman to focus all his attention on not pissing off the Arabs after freeing them from the Turks and Nazis, and not worry about global starvation.
Fact, more would have died from starvation at that time if anytimenhad been wasted. My gramps was dropping food all over the world.
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08-13-2024, 10:39 AM #4347Rod9301
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What's the point of this provocation?
The mosque is, for many years, off limits to non Muslims.
Ben Gvir Leads Over 1,000 Israeli Settlers In Jewish Prayer At Flashpoint Al-Aqsa Mosque
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08-14-2024, 09:16 PM #4348
Iran angers Hezbollah and Hamas by telling leaders to delay attacks on Israel, causing them to yell and storm out of a Tehran meeting.
Lincoln CSG approaching the Malacca Straits.
Reagan CSG rumored to put to sea out of San Diego with unknown mission. (Probably ECS then Yokosuka, but proximity to CENTCOM theater)
Roosevelt CSG and Wasp ARG remain in theater.
America ARG reported to be in the Philippines Sea.
Cavour CSG (Italy, more of an ARG with F-35s but only a reinforced company of marines) reportedly headed toward theater from Philippines Sea, but unknown destination/mission (maybe home port).
Columbia President Minouche Shafik resigns over controversial mismanagement of anti-Israel protests.
Injunction issued against UCLA must not allow protestors to ban Jews access to campus or classes after a suit over protesters creating a “Jew Exclusion Zone” where in order to pass “a person had to make a statement pledging their allegiance to the activists’ view.” Those who complied with the protester view were issued a wristband to allow them to pass through, the complaint said, which effectively barred access to Jewish students that supported Israel and denied them access to the heart of campus.
On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Mark C. Scarsi sided with the three students, and rebuked the school.
“Jewish students were excluded from portions of the UCLA campus because they refused to denounce their faith. This fact is so unimaginable and so abhorrent to our constitutional guarantee of religious freedom,”Last edited by summit; 08-15-2024 at 08:22 AM.
Originally Posted by blurred
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08-15-2024, 08:18 AM #4349__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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08-15-2024, 08:19 AM #4350__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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