50 years to the day

[californiagrown]

If the B2 is as stealthy as they say, why not just drop a few bunker busters on a select few Iranian sites and then act as if Israel did it and does have a similar capability? Also, lets bring in KSA and see if they're interested in taking some potshots at Iran with a few of the fancy new weapons systems we've been selling them lately. Iran has lots of other enemies besides just Israel and the USA....

[highangle]

If the B2 is as stealthy as they say, why not just drop a few bunker busters on a select few Iranian sites and then act as if Israel did it and does have a similar capability? Also, lets bring in KSA and see if they're interested in taking some potshots at Iran with a few of the fancy new weapons systems we've been selling them lately. Iran has lots of other enemies besides just Israel and the USA....

The GBU-57 is too big and not stealth. I think it has to be pulled out the back ramp of a C130 or bigger cargo plane with a drogue parachute.

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Fordow supposedly has 90m of rock over its hardened structure.
Planners will have to figure a dozen or more bunker busters, and a bunch of damage assessment between bombings.

Since all the High Holy Iranian theocracy can do is watch while their concentrated wealth and technological aspirations are systematically disassembled, Israel should broadcast the dtargeting drone footy throughout Iran, narrated in Farsi like reality TV or a sporting event.

[liv2ski]

liv2ski is so low info he probably can't even find America on a map. His answer to everything Middle East related is it's all Israel's fault. Sorta like the MAGA-tards who when asked how to fix any problem be it build more manufacturing or simply weatherize a house their answer to everything is get rid of immigrants

Like assholes everyone has an opinion and yours typically stink. I'm not going to spend my day posting in this thread 20 times like you and a couple others, as I have a life. I will just tell you that I think the Israeli government sucks balls and is a goddamn bully in the Middle East.
I am not saying they are wrong and Iran is right, as both can be wrong, as demonstrated by Hamas and the IDF.

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[californiagrown]

The GBU-57 is too big and not stealth. I think it has to be pulled out the back ramp of a C130 or bigger cargo plane with a drogue parachute. . Fordow supposedly has 90m of rock over its hardened structure. Planners will have to figure a dozen or more bunker busters, and a bunch of damage assessment between bombings. Since all the High Holy Iranian theocracy can do is watch while their concentrated wealth and technological aspirations are systematically disassembled, Israel should broadcast the dtargeting drone footy throughout Iran, narrated in Farsi like reality TV or a sporting event.

B2 is the only operational US plane that can publicly deploy the GBU57. And their weapons bays are entirely internal, so its is all stealth(except the bomb itself). That said, i find it impossible to believe that a C130 couldnt deploy it out the back on a skid system like you mentioned if anyone really wanted to fab that up in a week or two. Wiki says that B52s were used to deploy it during testing, so it seems there are numerous options to get it up in the sky and then let gravity take over.

Im no military planner, but how about we let Israel just run sorties using their own light weight bunker busters to soften it all up a bit, and then in the middle of one of those sorties sneak a few B2s with GBU57s in as well? Whose gonna know? All radar will see is the Israeli non-stealth bombers flying below the B2. And then magincally one of those israeli bombs seems to have been A LOT bigger than the others....

[californiagrown]

Like assholes everyone has an opinion and yours typically stink. I'm not going to spend my day posting in this thread 20 times like you and a couple others, as I have a life. I will just tell you that I think the Israeli government sucks balls and is a goddamn bully in the Middle East. I am not saying they are wrong and Iran is right, as both can be wrong, as demonstrated by Hamas and the IDF. Sent from my moto g stylus 5G (2022) using Tapatalk

Israel does not deserve to be attacked by others. The do not instigate wars/conflicts. However, it sure doesnt feel as though they are ever interested in compromise, and are far too comfortable escalating conflicts because they know that their big Uncle Sam will always step in. They have a Napolean Complex of sorts.

[liv2ski]

Pretty sure they instigated the war with Iran...
Committing Genocide in Palestine.
Ya, their government is all peace, love, dope.

[civilcoconut]

B2 is the only operational US plane that can publicly deploy the GBU57. And their weapons bays are entirely internal, so its is all stealth(except the bomb itself). That said, i find it impossible to believe that a C130 couldnt deploy it out the back on a skid system like you mentioned if anyone really wanted to fab that up in a week or two. Wiki says that B52s were used to deploy it during testing, so it seems there are numerous options to get it up in the sky and then let gravity take over. Im no military planner, but how about we let Israel just run sorties using their own light weight bunker busters to soften it all up a bit, and then in the middle of one of those sorties sneak a few B2s with GBU57s in as well? Whose gonna know? All radar will see is the Israeli non-stealth bombers flying below the B2. And then magincally one of those israeli bombs seems to have been A LOT bigger than the others....

Trump isnt going to drop the worlds largest bunker buster and not take credit for it.

[Cisco Kid]

Anyone ever got a Nobel Peace Prize for bombing a country into submission? Donnie wants one desperately.

[mcski]

Don’t forget the ever expanding settlements.

[MultiVerse]

Pretty sure they instigated the war with Iran...
Committing Genocide in Palestine.

Your are a low-info goldfish exhibit in a zoo. Everyone outside your bowl is laughing at you

[summit]

L2S: Iran has been at war with Israel since the current regime came to power. Destroying Israel and all Jews has been a central tenet of the regime agenda for nearly 50 years. Iran has been attacking Israel with their proxies. Iranian controlled Hezbollah alone fired over 10,000 rockets at Israel... rockets supplied by Iran. Iranian controlled and supplied Houthis have been attacking Israel with Iranian supplied missiles and drones. Iran also attacked Israel from Syria and has sent terrorists to attack Israelis and Israeli interests and Jews in general across the globe. This includes helping to plan, train, supply, fund, and support Hamas including the Oct 7 attack. Iran also launched ballistic missiles directly into Israel in 2024 without having been directly attacked.

How can you paint Iran as some poor innocent regime minding its own business until Israel attacked? How in the blue fuck can you say Israel started this? Of ALL the fights in the region there is nothing clearer than the fact that Israel would have zero hostilities with Iran except for the Ayatollahs being obsessed with destroying "The Little Satan" and killing the Jews.

[MultiVerse]

B2 is the only operational US plane that can publicly deploy the GBU57. And their weapons bays are entirely internal, so its is all stealth(except the bomb itself). That said, i find it impossible to believe that a C130 couldnt deploy it out the back on a skid system like you mentioned if anyone really wanted to fab that up in a week or two. Wiki says that B52s were used to deploy it during testing, so it seems there are numerous options to get it up in the sky and then let gravity take over.

B2 flies faster and higher giving the bomb more time to find its target and more kinetic energy when it does. C130 flies low and slow not only making the bomb less effective but also less likely to survive any mission

[californiagrown]

Pretty sure they instigated the war with Iran... Committing Genocide in Palestine. Ya, their government is all peace, love, dope.

Iran supplies and directs Hezbollah and Hamas who have and continue to attack Israel. Iran has a stated goal of destroying israel, and the most conservative take says that Iran's nuclear program was really intended to maintain a short breakout period which was still not imminent prior to this campaign. Iran instigate this war.

Genocide in Palestine is a stretch. But, the current war in gaza was instigated by Oct 7th attacks. Full stop. How Israel has responded is very much up for criticism, but they certainly did not instigate that current war.

[mcski]

The US would be in trouble if we were attacked on the basis of our proxies’ activities. Despite Iran’s shanigans, it doesn’t change the fact that Israel attacked them first because someday they might have nuclear weapons. If they do eventually get one, I’m frankly not too worried about it

[Cono Este]

These fucks may just stay under ground only to pop up and let a ballistic missle go from time to time.

[californiagrown]

B2 flies faster and higher giving the bomb more time to find its target and more kinetic energy when it does. C130 flies low and slow not only making the bomb less effective but also less likely to survive any mission

FWIW, the B52 and B2 have the same public operating ceiling (50k) and very nearly the same top speed. Both can carry that bomb. Obviously the B2 is optomized to deploy it, but with complete air dominance there isnt a really great reason why a B52 couldnt deploy it to the same effect.

Something to also consider is that the GBU57 is like 15+ years old, and newer versions (with likely rocket boosters) might be available. Fast tracking getting it deployable in a B2 might be the reason for this 2 week delay....

[MultiVerse]

Despite Irans shanigans, it doesn’t change the fact that Israel attacked them first because someday they might have nuclear weapons.

I don't think you know what the word fact means. Iran has been launching ballistic missiles at Israel, from Iran, since last year. Ergo Iran attacked Israel first. Israel's stated goal is first degrading the Iranian ballistic missile threat and second addressing the Iranian nuclear weapon threat

[summit]

A weapon system designed to be released from a bomber at 630mph at 50,000ft interfaced with its targeting system cannot just be shoved into the back for an Israeli C-130J and dropped off a skid plate with a parachute at 375mph at 25,000ft with not interface. You would have to modify the weapon, design a deployment system, and then test all of this assuming it can even be safely done as GBU-57 is 50% heavier than any bomb dropped from a C-130, and there are aircraft structure, control, and safety factors to consider.

So, since we haven't developed and tested that, and the Israeli C-130s haven't practiced bombing attacks or tested with a new MOP, no, no fucking way... but there's more reasons!

This isn't a one-bomb, one-kill type of targeting. Especially since some targets like Fordo will require sequential hits just to have a likelihood of damage, so I'm guessing you need 6 for Fordo, and that's 6 C-130s flying together.

Israel hasn't lost any high speed jet fighter bombers, but they have lost lumbering turboprop drones. C-130 is a turboprop.

C-130Js aren't just not-stealthy, they are extra visible, like 10x the rcs of an unstealthy F-15, same rcs as a massive B-52... but lumbering. A C-130 formation would be easily identified at distance and the slow speed would give time to react to the easy conclusion that it was either a commando raid or a bunker buster bomb raid. But unlike the B-52, the C-130 is going to need refueling over Iran, and is going to be at an easier to hit altitude, a much slower speed, and the C-130 has no defensive suite (jammers, spoofers, chaff, flares) so it is much easier to target with antiaircraft guns, missiles, even drones... C-130 is a sitting duck with no ejection seats.

As far as Israel softening up the site with F-15/GBU-72s, the capability gap is so huge it is like saying, well, Iran has an armored tank and we need American to hit it with an antitank missile, but why don't you go soften it up with a rifle first? The tank was design to be immune to that just like Fordo was deesigned to be immune from any weapon the Israelis can attack with (or any weapon that existed at the time besides a nuke). We designed MOP specifically so we could attack sites like Fordo without a nuke. The capability gap between America and literally anyone else is almost unfathomably huge.

[dan_pdx]

This thread is moving pretty fast so sorry if I missed it, but there been any discussion about the DNI's assessment that Iran is not building nukes? That has been one of the craziest parts about this whole thing, in what world would Iran not be building/ trying to build nukes?

[summit]

mcski: Again, Israel did not attack first. Iran has been attacking Israel forever, including recently, including with ballistic missiles before this last week, and has sworn to destroy Israel as a central policy goal for the nearly 50 years of war that Iran has waged against Israel.

[mcski]

Are you referring to the missile barrage Iran sent over last year after they were bombed first. Or was it something after Israel bombed their top general. I don’t recall any direct action in the last six months, and since Israel itself called the bombing preemptive, it think it’s safe to say this time they attacked Iran first. But please now go into one of you conniptions trying to prove that youre always right and call me a Hamas supporter or some other nonsense as well. Ergo that

[summit]

As far as Saudi Arabia participating in strikes, they are in as much as they gave permission for Israelis to use their airpsace, provide them with all sorts of intelligence, divert fields, possibly areal refueling tankers, and more. KSA is also allowing US and UK basing. SA is also functioning behind the scenes to pressure Iran. But SA does not want to be the recipient of Iranian missiles or Iranian Houthi drone attacks because Iran already destroyed half Saudi Arabia's oil production capacity in a single series of strikes in 2019 against Saudi oil facilities which knocked Saudi Arabia back from fighting the Iranian Houthis in Yemen.

[summit]

mcski: why is Iran allowed to attack Israel, but when Israel responds, they are accused of initiating attacks? That top general was responsible for many attacks on Israel. He was in Syria working out the next attack with Iranian controlled proxy forces. So yea, he got deaded in Syria, Iran directly struck Israel, which is not effectively different than what Iran had been doing using proxies, but once Israel disabled Irans proxies Iran had to fire missiles and drones from Iran to continue their ongoing war against Israel.

Oh yea, and when have I called you a Hamas supporter? Thats right... never.

[MultiVerse]

This thread is moving pretty fast so sorry if I missed it, but there been any discussion about the DNI's assessment that Iran is not building nukes? That has been one of the craziest parts about this whole thing, in what world would Iran not be building/ trying to build nukes?

The DNI'(Tulsi) is really saying the same thing as everyone else, just a little bit differently. In a nutshell, Iran is assembling the materials and components to make nuclear bombs but is not yet assembling actual nuclear bombs

[dan_pdx]

The DNI'(Tulsi) is really saying the same thing as everyone else, just a little bit differently. In a nutshell, Iran is assembling the materials and components to make nuclear bombs but is not yet assembling actual nuclear bombs

Thanks, that makes way more sense. Kind of a distinction without a difference though.