50 years to the day

[MultiVerse]

RT needs to write a serenity prayer for the Middle East

The reason why there's so much infrastructure destruction in Gaza is because Hamas used the hundreds of billions of American dollars, European Euros, plus all the other monetary aid generously given to Gazans and used it to build down, not up.

Hamas took the world's aid and used it to build a fortress under civilian infrastructure to protect their army. Hamas could have used those billions to build a nice place on the Mediterranean. Instead they used it to build hundreds of miles of tunnels, to build bunkers under schools, mosques, and hospitals. To rig IEDs and booby traps in people's homes.

Hamas built those tunnels under kindergartens to shelter themselves, not children. That's what makes this war different. Just because Hamas chooses to hide behind civilians and had decades to build tunnels under cities doesn’t let them escape responsibility for the October 7th invasion & massacre. Everyone here is right, this is a tragedy for Palestinians.

The reason for that tragedy however is all down to the way Hamas fights. Hamas engineered this disaster. Either Hamas is allowed to get away with it—and then do it again. But then that creates a situation where invaders have a perfect solution. They can attack a country going house-to-house killing people then afterwards hide behind their own civilian population and there's nothing anyone can do nothing about it. No other country would accept that and Israel won’t either.

[RTsucks]

Yeah, Israel took our money too. We should have had a work requirement for the both of 'em. Fucking idle hands.

[highangle]

They bought American with that $$ bro.

[RTsucks]

Then sold it to chyyyna.

[highangle]

lol right bro

[RTsucks]

I'm pretty sure that an Israeli defense minister admitted that they sold a fire control computer or some shit for the f16 to china. But you can do your own research. I bet we still have some of their spies locked up for life. Normally with allies you just kick them out. But hey, when you've actually looked into it you can get back to me.

[highangle]

So some old shit from 50 years ago? I thought it was only religion that makes ppl harbor miserable unreasonable grudges?

Is hatin' Israel and forgetting who started this war a religious avocation for you bro? Or are you just botted af?

[J. Barron DeJong]

Israel is committing genocide in
Gaza, scientists say
Genocide Studies NRC spoke to seven renowned genocide researchers about Gaza.
They are not nearly as divided as public opinion: without exception, they qualify the Israeli actions as 'genocidal'. And according to them, almost all their colleagues agree with that.
Derk Walters, Kasper van Laarhoven en Eva Peek May 14, 2025 at 10:05 PM • Reading time 8 minutes

A consensus in the international community is quickly forming. Seven of the world’s leading genocide scholars — including renowned Holocaust experts — describe Israel’s actions in Gaza as genocidal to the leading Dutch newspaper NRC.

Raz Segal (Israeli scholar): “Can I name someone whose work I respect who doesn’t consider it genocide? No."

U?ur Ümit Üngör (University of Amsterdam & NIOD): "I don’t know them.”

Even cautious voices have changed. Israeli scholar Shmuel Lederman opposed the genocide label—until he saw the ICJ ruling ignored, the Rafah crossing sealed, and credible estimates of over 100,000 deaths.

Now he says: this is genocide.

https://bsky.app/profile/diplomatofn.../3lpec3pcfqs26

[RTsucks]

I wouldn't call it a grudge. I just dislike people rushing to pick sides just so they can fit in. I think it's lame.

[highangle]

So you're sticking with "Good people on both sides" and rape raids and rocket attacks are just good people doing good things?

[RTsucks]

Nope. Bad people on both sides. Some worse than others. But mostly people who just want to live their lives. Ya know, reality.

[highangle]

So you'll have no problem forgiving Israel for flattening Gaza in the same free & easy spirit you forgave Palestine for 10/7?

[RTsucks]

Wrong again. And I have trouble understanding your sense of the term 'forgive' in this application, or whether it matters. Regardless, I think Israelis and Palestinians should work together to get rid of blood thirsty maniacs like hamas and Bibi. Life's too short for their bullshit making it shorter. Where the fuck is the thunder dome when you need it?

[up an down]

religion can make people behave even more stupidly than usual

[Djongo Unchained]

Ya know, reality.

Where the fuck is the thunder dome when you need it?

Reality is as reality does.

[highangle]

...I have trouble understanding your sense of the term 'forgive' in this application, or whether it matters...

The way you just don't see 10/7 and possible recurrences of 10/7 as a problem moving forward.
Like it's just a minor little thing and people shouldn't hold 10/7 against "the Palestinian People", the way we should, clearly, hold 9/11 against the Saudis and every dead Palestinian against Bibi and Israel as a whole. Like we shouldn't even be bringing 10/7 up.


You're whole moral discount of 10/7 reveals you think no more of it than JBdJ and Mcski do. And that big moral blindspot hints at others, which is why no one should take you seriously as a moralist - you just want to hate on Israel and forgive the kid-killing video rapists that Palestine trained and sent over to butcher Jews for Palestine.


That is what I meant when I remarked on your willingness to forgive Palestine, but not Israel. You may as well be another Crisco Kid alt, trying to moralize from an immoral position.

[mcski]

So now it’s Palestine as a whole that’s guilty, not just Hamas? Got it. The crazy straw men arguments you put up just clarify just how far over the line Israel has gone beyond any justified retaliation.

[RTsucks]

I don't discount 10/7. You dicount dropping more bombs on Gaza than dropped in ww2. I merely don't know what you mean by forgive. Who, how and for what purpose? It doesn't make a ton of sense to me. I, also, would never describe myself as a moralist whatever that is exactly. Frankly the idea that someone would kind of gives me the urge to puke in a bucket and try to drown myself in it. Seems vain, arrogant and full if hubris to me. Highangle rushing to judgment to score moral points in a game he's playing on his own again I guess.

[californiagrown]

I wonder how israeli leadership is feeling after seeing DJTs goodwill tour of Arab countries? If i was israel, id be feeling not so great about DJT being so buddy-buddy with Arab countries, and bringing along his BFFs from defense contractors to secure big arms deals and strengthen ties. Israel thought they had the monopoly on top shelf military tech, and also a monopoly on the moral high ground in the region, but that may be changing as they cant throw around the kind of money that oil monarchs can, in the way that oil monarchs can, and morals mean nothing to a moralless trump.... and if you cannot shower the king with gifts, you need to kiss his feet instead... which is something i dont think bibi is willing to do. Can you imagine if bibi and trump get into a tif and trump commands our military to hit the kill switch on israel's F35s and other cutting edge american defense tech? Nothing is off the table with this commitment to strategic ambiguity/incompetence.

[J. Barron DeJong]

The leaders of Canada, Britain and France warned on Monday that their countries would take action if Israel does not stop a renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift aid restrictions.
"The Israeli government's denial of essential humanitarian assistance to the civilian population is unacceptable and risks breaching international humanitarian law," a joint statement released by the prime minister's office said.
"We oppose any attempt to expand settlements in the West Bank.... We will not hesitate to take further action, including targeted sanctions."
The statement came after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that Israel would control the whole of Gaza despite mounting international pressure that forced it to lift a blockade on aid supplies that left the enclave on the brink of famine.
"We strongly oppose the expansion of Israel's military operations in Gaza. The level of human suffering in Gaza is intolerable," the three Western leaders said in the joint statement, adding that Israel's announcement it will allow a basic quantity of food into Gaza is "wholly inadequate."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel...tary-1.7538495

[highangle]

So now it’s Palestine as a whole that’s guilty, not just Hamas? Got it. The crazy straw men arguments you put up just clarify just how far over the line Israel has gone beyond any justified retaliation.

It's never the IDF lieutenant that made a bad call though, it's "Israel slaughters aid workers in cold blood!!"

If Palestine expects to be treated as a people and a nation, they have to take a little responsibility for what's being done in their name.

eta: And founding their little nation on something other than the annihilation of Israel might help too.

[summit]

You dicount dropping more bombs on Gaza than dropped in ww2.

You are ignorant as fuck or you are spewing intentionally ignorant troll shit.

I know you read that BS on tic tok or insta, but it is off by far more than an order of magnitude. Effectively much more than 2 orders, and the comparison is inherently disingenuous beyond that.</p>

[Dantheman]

I wonder how israeli leadership is feeling after seeing DJTs goodwill tour of Arab countries? If i was israel, id be feeling not so great about DJT being so buddy-buddy with Arab countries, and bringing along his BFFs from defense contractors to secure big arms deals and strengthen ties. Israel thought they had the monopoly on top shelf military tech, and also a monopoly on the moral high ground in the region, but that may be changing as they cant throw around the kind of money that oil monarchs can, in the way that oil monarchs can, and morals mean nothing to a moralless trump.... and if you cannot shower the king with gifts, you need to kiss his feet instead... which is something i dont think bibi is willing to do. Can you imagine if bibi and trump get into a tif and trump commands our military to hit the kill switch on israel&#39;s F35s and other cutting edge american defense tech? Nothing is off the table with this commitment to strategic ambiguity/incompetence.

Same guy that moved the embassy to Jerusalem and claimed he was Israel&#39;s biggest ally. If a Dem was doing this the right would be apoplectic.

[J. Barron DeJong]

You are ignorant as fuck or you are spewing intentionally ignorant troll shit. I know you read that BS on tic tok or insta, but it is off by far more than an order of magnitude. Effectively much more than 2 orders, and the comparison is inherently disingenuous beyond that.

He may be referring to this, that I posted earlier:

By October 2024, Israel said it bombed 40,000 locations^[4] in the Gaza Strip (which is 360 km²). By one estimate, as of April 2024 the bomb tonnage dropped on Gaza was more than 70,000 tonnes,^[5] surpassing the combined bomb tonnage dropped on Dresden, Hamburg, and London in World War II.^[6]Satellite imagery showed at least 69% of all buildings were damaged or destroyed,^[7][8]which surpasses the scale of destruction in Cologne and Dresden and approaches that of Hamburg during World War II.

[RTsucks]

I don't actually care about tonnage specifically. I've seen pictures. But stick to your 'moral' life raft and count your angels on a pin. Bombing civilians is heinous as fuck. You can't prove it was and is the only option. You just hide behind your violent morality without getting your hands dirty. Pathetic.