50 years to the day

[summit]

Iran tells Pakistan "must decisively confront" Israel

US Navy ceases updating fleet locations for most CSGs and ARGs. Not officially, but if you've been watching fleet movements, you notice most suddenly stopped moving at all over the last 10 days.

Today US moved flights of F-22s (in addition to squadrons recently deployed), plus F-15s, tankers, and EW aircraft (RC-135) to the theater. Also noticed many medium and heavy airlift (support/maint elements likely) plus E-3s. Aircraft shut off ADS before entering the theater, and then didn't return.

This forward basing will give CENTCOM the ability to see and strike inside contested airspace particularly in concert with the F-35s and EA-18Gs on the CSG/ARGs, plus standoff weapons and B-2s. The message is clear: the US does not want to see an escalation, but FAFO!

[ex-powderbroker]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/livebl...chool-complex/

i wonder how much they’re feeling the loss of almost all of their leadership and control over the egyptian border that surely helped them rearm.

[leroy jenkins]

So it turns out the 'literal rape army' was actual the IDF and not HAMAS.

Curious to see what hoops you guys jump through to justify that, although you'll probably just ignore it completely as even among the elite mental gymnasts here, I don't think anyone really has the ability to deal with it besides just not believing it despite the evidence.

[ex-powderbroker]

Right. Everyone who believes that any IDF soldiers that committed rape or SA of prisoners should go unpunished please step forward.

Anyone?

…

Sergeant Strawman? How could you!

[summit]

Not sure what IGNORE-LEROY-IGNORE posted, but the reason any of us know about the IDF abuses is because the IDF reported it in the course of due diligence pursuit of justice.

Hamas does not report their mass rapes. They absolutely do not punish anyone for them.

See the difference?

[summit]

Not sure what IGNORE-leroy-IGNORE posted, but the reason any of us know about the few IDF abuses is because the IDF reported it in the course of due diligence in pursuit of justice and punishing their wrongs which they do not allow or tolerate.

Hamas does not report their mass rapes. They absolutely do not punish anyone for them. Hamas uses rape intentionally as a weapon and a reward for their fighters.

See the difference?

[ex-powderbroker]

Punish? Laughable man.

Sending Chani Louk on her way home safely instead of parading her corpse around Gaza probably would have saved 20000.

[JimmyCarter]

Right. Everyone who believes that any IDF soldiers that committed rape or SA of prisoners should go unpunished please step forward.

Anyone?

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2q07kd3ld6o.amp

[summit]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c2q07kd3ld6o.amp

Luckily, those assholes aren't in charge.

Unfortunately, Hamas is in charge.

See the difference?

[JimmyCarter]

Luckily, those assholes aren't in charge.

Unfortunately, Hamas is in charge.

See the difference?

“Protesters including MPs from Israel's governing coalition gathered at the Sde Teiman base”

[summit]

“Protesters including MPs from Israel's governing coalition gathered at the Sde Teiman base”

I ask again, are those assholes in charge? Are they in control? Did it stop the investigation? Were the charges dropped?

Nope!

Hamas doesn't report or file charge.

See the difference?

You gotta do better than "there's a few assholes in Israel therefor they are no different from Hamas."

[JimmyCarter]

I ask again, are those assholes in charge? Are they in control? Did it stop the investigation? Were the charges dropped?

Nope!

Hamas doesn't report or file charge.

See the difference?

You gotta do better than "there's a few assholes in Israel therefor they are no different from Hamas."

You’re the only one talking in black and white like that.

Did the IDF self report before or after widespread reports of abuse had already occurred?


“In a heated meeting of lawmakers in July, a parliamentarian asked if it was legitimate “to insert a stick into a person’s rectum?”

“Yes!” lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky, of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s right-wing Likud party, shouted in reply. If the detainee is a Hamas militant, he said, “Everything is legitimate to do! Everything!”

Netanyahu has not publicly addressed Milwidsky’s comments, and his office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on these or the case overall. The prime minister also hasn’t commented on the alleged abuse except for calling for calm amid protests against the arrests of the Israeli reservists, and condemning those who broke into a base believed to be holding them.”

[MultiVerse]

and not HAMAS.

Slimy too rightly call out IDF abuses while continuing to deny Hamas's documented systematic use of rape as a weapon of war. Multiple Hamas terrorists at multiple locations were caught on camera bragging about capturing Israeli “sabaya,” a term used by Islamic jihadists which means sex slave. The hypocrisy on display here is stunning.

[ex-powderbroker]

Yeah idk. He’s in the coalition with a party that got 7/120 seats. It’s kind of the same answer though, that dude should get censured or whatever the equivalent is or face criminal charges. Israel is at the brink if they choose to turn their back on the rule of law and condone any of this kind of behavior. At the very least new elections to remove these people would be a great first step.

eta the opposite is also true, if netanyahu and the far right groups in the coalition get reelected or more of a mandate, welp, that would suck.

[highangle]

Jimmy Cunter recognized long ago that he'd have to shamelessly resort to fallacious bullshit in the service of Hamas, but he opened his heart and accepted that if decapitation and rape raids are justified to destroy Israel, then so is spouting rhetorical nonsense at people who can see it for exactly what it is.

[summit]

Lincoln CSG deployment to the theater are now public
SSGN deployment to the theater are now public... that 156 TLAMs

[JimmyCarter]

Chuck Graner is an American hero gubdangit!!

Agree to disagree

[mcski]

Jimmy Cunter recognized long ago that he'd have to shamelessly resort to fallacious bullshit in the service of Hamas, but he opened his heart and accepted that if decapitation and rape raids are justified to destroy Israel, then so is spouting rhetorical nonsense at people who can see it for exactly what it is.

There have been multiple reports that there wasn’t systematic rape and decapitation. That shit was bad enough with out that embellishment

[MultiVerse]

Hamas's rapes and decapitations are documented. I personally saw the decapitation videos before they were pulled from twitter. In one of the videos an Israeli man has his head slowly agonizingly chopped in half with a garden hoe while still alive. His body jerks violently with each strike while his young son tied to a chair is forced to watch, screaming in horror.

Even the BBC admits to seeing evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks, "Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

[summit]

There have been multiple reports that there wasn’t systematic rape and decapitation. That shit was bad enough with out that embellishment

JFC even Al Jazeera, BBC and the UN disagree with you
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/...al-violence-un
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68365284
https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

“Credible circumstantial information, which may be indicative of some forms of sexual violence, including genital mutilation, sexualised torture, or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, was also gathered,” read the 24-page UN report.

“The mission team found clear and convincing information that some hostages taken to Gaza have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence and has reasonable grounds to believe that such violence may be ongoing,” the report also said.

violent rapes of women conducted "collectively" or "in front of an audience".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ctober-attacks

Evidence points to systematic use of rape and sexual violence by Hamas in 7 October attacks
This article is more than 6 months old
Guardian aware of sexual assaults for which multiple corroborating pieces of evidence exist

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/21/w...ce-report.html

What is with the absolute incredulity that Hamas did horrific shit to civilians... matched with absolute credulity that Israel did bad shit? Check your biases!

[mcski]

Hamas's rapes and decapitations are documented. I personally saw the decapitation videos before they were pulled from twitter. In one of the videos an Israeli man has his head slowly agonizingly chopped in half with a garden hoe while still alive. His body jerks violently with each strike while his young son tied to a chair is forced to watch, screaming in horror.

Even the BBC admits to seeing evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women during the 7 October Hamas attacks, "Videos of naked and bloodied women filmed by Hamas on the day of the attack, and photographs of bodies taken at the sites afterwards, suggest that women were sexually targeted by their attackers."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67629181

If there were decapitation videos, theyd still be on the internet. It never forgets that shit. All the headless baby claims traced back to some friend of a friend saw this type bullshit. But it’s good for getting the revenge train rolling faster.

[MultiVerse]

Plenty of people saw them at the time, asshole. And plenty of people have watched private showings of the videos. Their families understandably don't want the videos made public. You're one of the original rape deniers in this thread. The fact that you're still denying it is pathetic.

[californiagrown]

What is with the absolute incredulity that Hamas did horrific shit to civilians... matched with absolute credulity that Israel did bad shit? Check your biases!

Really though. It's mind blowing to me to see how people completely forget the events of Oct 7th when they learn about horrific shit the IDF did post Oct 7th. When KNOW FOR A FACT that Hamas raped and tortured and beheaded etc, civilians on Oct 7th. We also now KNOW FOR A FACT that the IDF raped and tortured prisoners, and also committed atrocities against gazan civilians.

The moral high ground in the war is below sea level. It's a terrible situation. I personally am calling on the IDF to do better because they are the side with any hope of being better. Hamas will never rise above horrific tactics and so why waste energy calling on the to be better?


I can call for the total destruction and death of Hamas, while also calling for Israel to uphold higher standards while they wage this war.

[ex-powderbroker]

Really though. It's mind blowing to me to see how people completely forget the events of Oct 7th when they learn about horrific shit the IDF did post Oct 7th. When KNOW FOR A FACT that Hamas raped and tortured and beheaded etc, civilians on Oct 7th. We also now KNOW FOR A FACT that the IDF raped and tortured prisoners, and also committed atrocities against gazan civilians.

The moral high ground in the war is below sea level. It's a terrible situation. I personally am calling on the IDF to do better because they are the side with any hope of being better. Hamas will never rise above horrific tactics and so why waste energy calling on the to be better?


I can call for the total destruction and death of Hamas, while also calling for Israel to uphold higher standards while they wage this war.

There was probably SA and/or torture by the IDF but i have to trust the courts to prosecute these people and do better.

there have been false accusations against the idf but they get deleted without retraction but the damage is already done.

this happened a couple of months ago and not long before it, the same:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/al-jaz...ital-retracted

[LeeLau]

It's not surprising to me that people like mcski deny the Hamas rape and torture.

After all there are Holocaust denialists. There were denials of Khmer Rouge death camps.