50 years to the day

[bodywhomper]

Have the Druze responded from the attack/deaths in the Golan Heights?

[MultiVerse]

94% of Druze in Israel self-identify as Israeli, serve in the Israeli military, have disproportionately high representation in the Knesset, and 1-in-5 Golan Heights Druze hold Israeli passports so, yes? Although perhaps the minority who prefer Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad don't consider Israel's response to be their response.

Jerusalem bridge lit up with the colors of the Druze flag

[riser4]

Don't fuck with the Golan Heights. This is the one piece of occupied territory that should forever and always be part of Israel.

[summit]

Hezbollah/Ayatollah does not give a fuck about killing Druze children.

[bodywhomper]

Pulling the Druze into this conflict could add complication. I’d imagine many of those families consider themselves Syrian (possibly with Israeli and Syrian passports). There has been at least one Druze leader that was part of Hezbollah. Hezbollah and Druze have fought before in modern times.

If I recall, Druze leaders visited putin immediately after Hamas leaders in October 2023.

[riser4]

Druze are not monolithic.

[summit]

Erdogan flapping his dumbass gums. I've been saying fuck that guy for a decade.

[bodywhomper]

Druze are not monolithic.

I hope I didn’t come off sounding that way. Their leaders have a disproportionate influence in the area for the size of their population.

Ultimately, it’s more children being killed.

[ex-powderbroker]

Pulling the Druze into this conflict could add complication. I’d imagine many of those families consider themselves Syrian (possibly with Israeli and Syrian passports). There has been at least one Druze leader that was part of Hezbollah. Hezbollah and Druze have fought before in modern times.

If I recall, Druze leaders visited putin immediately after Hamas leaders in October 2023.

The Druze in Israel are Israeli. None that I have ever heard of wish they were in or a part of Syria. They do better and live in peace compared to their cousins in Lebanon and Syria. The Druze in Lebanon have issued statements against Israel. Easier to get along I guess.

Not many places in the middle east where it's better to be a religious minority than in Israel. The Druze, Bahai, Muslims, Bedouin all have the vote and representation. The Yazidi, Zoroastrians, Maronites, Kurds, remaining Jews and so one elsewhere, not really.

Probably Israel's fault though (rolleyes).

[bodywhomper]

According to Wikipedia and MultiVerse, only 20% of Druze in the golan heights have Israeli passports. The rest have Syrian passports, apparently.

[ex-powderbroker]

According to Wikipedia and MultiVerse, only 20% of Druze in the golan heights have Israeli passports. The rest have Syrian passports, apparently.

During the 2011 Syrian uprising, Druze in the Golan Heights held several rallies in support of Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad.[87] Public support for the Assad government has historically been high among Golan Druze, and Syria has secured agreements with the Israeli government to permit Golan Druze to conduct trade across the border with Syria. Some tensions have recently arisen in the community due to differing stances on the Syrian Civil War, though open public support for the Syrian opposition has been relatively uncommon.[88]

That's wild. I wasn't suggesting that they were a monolith but popular is popular.

According to Al Jazeera 83% serve in army.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2...ious-objectors

[MultiVerse]

FWIW, most Druze in Israel identify as Israeli. Israeli issues laissez-passer (no citizenship specified) documents for the minority who don't. Golan Heights Druze make up only around 16 percent of the total Israeli-Druze population with about 20 percent of Golan Druze holding Israeli passports. The trend is for younger Druze even in Golan to increasing identify as Israeli.

[ex-powderbroker]

january 6th vibes:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internatio...6705115_4.html

[MakersTeleMark]

Not an ear shot.

[summit]

The head of Hamas, Haniyeh, was assasinated while visiting Iran.

Haniyeh was the architect of Hamas's Iran alliance. He was a billionaire living large in Qatar off of stolen aid funds. Good fucking riddance.

Israel also managed to smoke a top Hezbollah commander last night while the US eliminated a top Iranian-affiliated militia leader inside Iraq who had been overseeing attacks on US bases in the region.

Overall, a good day.

[ex-powderbroker]

it’ll be even better when the IDF members are detained and charged to go to trial.

failing to do so would send exactly
the wrong message.

they need to prosecute these rioters as well and netanyahu cares too much about the safety of his position to treat them with anything other than kid gloves.


fuck that guy.

[PNWbrit]

Overall, a good day.

Unless it triggers a full scale regional war.

[TBS]

^^^Or if your objective is peace and hostage release

[summit]

Oh ya because the ex-current leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas was totally into peace and hostage release so they should be left alone. That's why there was and is currently peace!!!! GMAFB!

The billionare Hamas leadership living in 5 star Qatari resorts is a HUGE reason that Hamas won't agree to ceasefires. They can easily ignore the plight of their people in Gaza.

[PNWbrit]

Oh ya because the ex-current leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas was totally into peace and hostage release so they should be left alone.

That's absolutely not the reason. You're being a drama queen.

[californiagrown]

^^^Or if your objective is peace and hostage release

Is it still realistic to think that most of the hostages are still alive, and that hamas is actually interested in negotiating for their release?


Seems pretty likely that a good number of hostages we are assuming are still alive, have died and hamas is just saying they are still alive to keep leverage. And additionally, hamas has shown little to no real desire to realistically negotiate for hostage release- they pose fairly unrealistic demands, and dont really benefit from releasing hostages as their war is mostly a propoganda war so iits not like trading 1 hostage for 100 jailed hamas fighters is going to give hamas any kind of real boost.

I am beginning to think that the only way for the hostages to go free is through IDF raids (which are risky AF). And im also thinking that the ~50 hostages left in gaza might not be worth enough to Israel to truly factor in to their plans to eliminate hamas. I think its pretty clear that priority #1 is to eliminate hamas, and a distant #2 is to bring back the hostages alive.

[dan_pdx]

From the Guardian: "A senior Hamas official described Haniyeh’s killing as a 'cowardly act that will not go unpunished'."

Like all fanatics, they seem to be immune to irony (but not bullets, too bad for them). Having said that, I still think Israel's treatment of civilians in this conflict is way out of bounds and seems to reflect a lack of long-term thinking. Where will they be if they actually manage to alienate the US and other Western nations?

[JimmyCarter]

Last Week Tonight had a segment this week (after one about the couchfucker) covering the West Bank and it certainly doesn’t help Israel’s image.

[MultiVerse]

No, it probably doesn't help Israel's image. He does ignore the Intifadas, thousands of Palestinian terrorist attacks, thousands of rocket attacks, Hamas & Hezbollah & Iran, the fact that few Palestinians recognize any of Israel whatsoever while an overwhelming majority call for Israel's total destruction, or the fact if Israel withdrew from the West Bank Fatah would fall to Hamas in a matter of hours unleashing massive internecine Palestinian-on-Palestinian violence, turning the West Bank into a staging area for even greater attacks on Israel's major population centers.

[mcski]

Was that translated from Afrikaner ?