Soft Snow Gymkhana - The Heritage Lab FR110

[Benneke10]

These will just be drifting sideways with two middle fingers out the window.

Well said

[lucknau]

Do you think the hoji method for mounting point would apply to a ski like this (ie, bigger bsl mount further back)? Wondering if it can/should be applied to other rockered skis. Maybe that was just hoji accounting for his sizing/design style whereas MO is already a bigger guy so maybe no need to account for that? [emoji848][emoji28]

I do. You gotta get the BSL of the tester who determined the mount line and use that for your calc (I asked a while back and have been using 315mm). My BSL is 335mm, so I go -1 from whatever recommended mount I choose. Has been working pretty well so far.


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[jackattack]

Nice! I agree there are similarities to the BG in balance point and performance but I think what the fr110 gives up in float and surf it makes up for in playfulness and on piste performance. Compared to the BG the FR110 rails on groom.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

After night skiing at Brighton in some firm (shitty) conditions I noticed the same feeling that I was greeting from my OG WD108 that was a victim of the tune gate. This was before I knew much about skiing and just wrote them off as being not for me. Come to find out my pair (meant to be a test pair) of R110s had a .3-.5 base bevel. Set them back to the 1.5/2 and my gawwd that ski changed. The tail immediately became less grabby and much more drifty it pivoted easily in deeper pockets of snow and the ski honestly felt much less tiring. The biggest take away from today was holy shit these things go fast. I am working on carving my turns in chop lately and these felt a bit like cheating compared to some of my other skis. Anything less than 10 inches I’m grabbing these.

[m5d5cb]

I mounted up a pair of 180cm FR110 at -1cm from recommended.
The fit and finish is among the best I've seen, very nice. I like the topsheet textured material and graphics.
Made it out one day so far with about 4" of fresh. Skied very well, with almost no learning curve in the soft. I look forward to getting more time on them.
Still getting used to leaning them over on slightly bumpy groomers but that's not their focus and it's on me.

Headed to Hokkaido in a few days for deep Japow... recommend I take the FR110 or Rustler 11? Rustler's are lighter and I am only expecting fresh tracks but they of course aren't Heritage. I know, I probably should have a Swallowtail, HB, or 132, etc but this is a short notice trip and these are my options.

[cocoapuff]

Part of me does wonder how they'd ski with the side cut and recommended mount moved 2cm back. But with the same rocker profile. So, lovechild of the R110 and FR110. I'm an idiot though and it might totally suck.

Hey Marshal how bout an FR 110 with the "BC" rocker profile and a -7 or -8 mount?

[Marshal Olson]

Hey Marshal how bout an FR 110 with the "BC" rocker profile and a -7 or -8 mount?

Serious question…

is There a specific performance attribute you are looking to solve for? The Fr will mount -7.5 or -8 no problem.

The BC and Fr are essentially the same, just with a little more kick at the end of the FR tail, since you don’t have to skin them/set anchors, and a bit more surfy tip on the Bc since you are not as worried about how it carves harder groomed snow.

[fleaches]

Nice! I agree there are similarities to the BG in balance point and performance but I think what the fr110 gives up in float and surf it makes up for in playfulness and on piste performance. Compared to the BG the FR110 rails on groom.

These comparisons with the BG have me super interested. BG is really my favorite ski, the style just clicks super well with me. I feel like a skinnier, more "all mountain" bg would be my ideal daily driver.

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[adrenalated]

These comparisons with the BG have me super interested. BG is really my favorite ski, the style just clicks super well with me. I feel like a skinnier, more "all mountain" bg would be my ideal daily driver.

They are pretty different skis in some ways - full reverse vs rocker & camber, longer effective edge vs. RES and shorter effective edge, more progressive mount vs. more traditional, etc. But in terms of their overall character and how they want to be skied, they are surprisingly similar.

[chewski]

Quick review of the FR110 after skiing them one day in 18-24" of cold (for mammoth), dry powder. We got in way more powder skiing than usual at mammoth, because crowds were all scared off by 4' of forecasted snow and high winds. The reality was a constant moderate falling snow with good visibility and no wind (until 1:30pm), so the lifts ran on time and there were plenty of powder laps to be had before it became mostly chopped. The previous week saw about 4-8" of soft crud covering some firmer base before almost 2' of new fell on top. For reference I am 37 years old, 6' and 180lbs. I mounted with p15's at -2cm from recommended (85.25cm the rearmost recommended point) from tail.

I've been a huge fan of the OG 184 devastator (before they lightened it up). It opened my eyes to a drifty full reverse ski that somehow also magically could generate rebound/pop/energy out of a turn. It is also the only forward mounted ski i have ever felt good on (I actually called 4frnt before mounting on like a Friday at 5pm and matt sterbenz himself answered and convinced me to mount on the recommended line, which is like -5cm or something). When i was on that ski, i would always look at the mountain like a video game. It opened up creativity, made me want to pop, slash, and air everywhere. But it always backed it up with just enough stability and carving ability to really turn the dial up all the way and not get hung out to dry. They were, however, FAR AND AWAY the worst built skis i have owned in modern memory. The bases were made out of tissue paper and if you threw them onto the ground in the liftline too hard they would get a coreshot. I still have them, but shops have long ago refused to do any repair work because it is basically pointless.

Enter the fr110. Truth be told, i was feeling some serious FOMO skiing these in knee deep powder (which you could honestly find until 11am on this magical day, and boot top deep powder until about 1pm). I wanted to be rocking some super fatties, and honestly they would've been more fun. But thankfully these never held me back. The unusually light, dry pow for mammoth meant they were always just gliding over the semi-firm base that you could still feel way down below. But they also never bogged down or got hung up. I am really glad i mounted at -2cm from recommended because I have sooo many skis in the 102-118 range that this fully rockered ski is almost exclusively going to see days with some amount of fresh snow, they need to float above their pay grade. So yes, these weren't 120-135mm mega fatties, but they never let me down even in knee deep powder. I'm sure if it were our usual sierra cement they would've ridden even higher in the snow.

So float aside, when things became mostly binding top soft chop these really began to shine. It was snowing so much the chop never really consolidated into firm crud, but the week old frozen moguls, while significantly cushioned by all the new snow, definitely still dictated the terrain in my places (under chairs 22 and 25 for those who know mammoth). These were telepathic in the mogully trees. But despite my initial surprise at the amount of rocker (way more than devs) and only moderate flex (these are not that stiff anywhere), they always stayed smooth and composed. I was laughing and just pointing runouts when everyone else was navigating moguls. They never FELT that electric on my feet, to be honest, but they just did everything i wanted when i wanted them to with little effort. And that is, quite frankly, high praise. They obviously don't smash consolidated crud and firm chop like the burlier, less rockered HL offerings, but they also float and pivot much better, which is more what was being tested on this particular day.

I could tell they weren't as pivoty/slashy or poppy as the devestators were, but i chalk that up to three things: 1.) i mounted at -2cm from recommended knowing i wanted a little more float and shin driveability than pure slashing. 2.) the snow was pretty freakin deep most of the time and slashing anything required serious speed. And 3.) the tune is almost certainly sharper than my beat old devs. It will be interesting to see through the season how these slash and pop and play around compared to the devs on more normal days of mostly soft 2d snow and just a few inches of new snow here and there. The construction, obviously, is night and day better. I followed some ski instructors off the lift and right into bare rocks covered with a tiny dusting. I lurched to a stop afraid to look at the blow that would've coreshotted through the topsheets of the devastators, and they were barely scratched at all! Also, as I've mentioned in many other HL threads, the mounting plate is bomber as hell, and i mounted 2 pairs with 3.6 bits before marshall switched his rec to 4.1mm bits. It is sooo necessary to use a 4.1 bit. Tapping is not necessary in my opinion, but will certainly help. I didn't see any top sheet mushrooming on any pairs while screwing them down.

These are just floaty enough for BIG days, certainly excellent for more normal 4-8" days that get chopped up pretty quickly, telepathically quick in techy terrain, and juuust stable enough to rage without ever feeling out of control. Resort pow days are so different each time that I honestly had a hard time drawing real parallels and even understanding what was really going on under my feet with new skis. But like i said earlier, they do what you want and need all the time in 3d snow. I'm sure i will have far more non-epic, mediocre days to really figure out how these ski in regular conditions

[chewski]

They are pretty different skis in some ways - full reverse vs rocker & camber, longer effective edge vs. RES and shorter effective edge, more progressive mount vs. more traditional, etc. But in terms of their overall character and how they want to be skied, they are surprisingly similar.

This is spot on. I have 189 pre-asymm bg's and they are my most used resort powder ski of all time. They similarly float just enough, smash just enough, and pivot just enough to make any funky, manky condition mindless. Yet somehow you can also totally tell one has full reverse camber and conventional sidecut and the other is a tip rockered/partially cambered fun shape (res tip). They are same/different or different/same in a lot of ways

[alton0214]

I can echo a lot of what chewski said about the FR110 at Mammoth, as I was there during the smaller storm just before last weekend. I found them very intuitive to ski and the drifting was just awesome (-7.5 mount). I spent half of my day on the HL R99AM and was shocked how well the FR110's carved compared the the 99's. I loved that I could ski with a neutral stance and drive the ski without feeling like I was overpowering the tips. I also didn't experience that weird wandering that is common on fully rockered skis when running bases flat on the ski-back trail (basically a cross country trail).

As far as build quality, they are impressive. The main shop guy I go to really enjoyed inspecting them and said that all of the HL skis I have shown him (R87, R99, FR110) have been some of the better constructed skis he has seen, specifying that he enjoys tuning the edges due to the higher quality material that he feels are used.

[pfluffenmeister]

I've put two days on my R110s and while I'm no Jibbasaurus Rex I think I am the way to becoming a Velocijibber.

Me 5'10 150#; 8.5 months post-op on left ACL reconstruction.
PT'ed soft and then hard; feel good and am charging hard.
5 days skied in the last six (certainly not bell to bell, but until I felt done).
2 on R87s: on rails
2 on R110s: masher of potatoes
1 on FL105s: slays all comers

Day one admittedly had some problems:

I let my boot get cold in the walk from the parking lot, wait in two gondola lines/rides to get to the top and then I couldn't my boot into ski mode (Lupo Ti).

Visibility was among the worst I have ever skied in (heavy fog+snow); I don't mind skiing by braile but this a bit like fighting in the dark and not quite knowing when the punches are coming.

A bit of grabbing tail tune. (Which Marshal has graciously offered to redress).
I don't detune.
Pretty much ever.
And Marshal's tunes on the R87 and FL105 is simply sublime.

Nonetheless, I had a good day.
I favor skis with more traditional mount points that like to be driven:
Kastle MX98
Monster 108
Lhasa Pow / Pow Fat

Although I love the Kusala, which is more center mounted (I can't recall the recommended mount point on the Kusala but do recall that I am 4mm behind that due to mounting conflics).

I aimed for -8 and due to the vagaries of mounting (I swear I test mounted!) I ended up at -7.7.
When lining up the mount points on the R110 and Kusala the R110 has about 1cm more length in the tip and tail, which made me feel a bit better.

As noted vis was bad, it was so warm prior to the storm that the dew point on 1/31 for CO and UT had risen to 11,000'(!), so the storm started as rain and the snow was heavy.
No problem if you have the Masher of Potatoes.
It was fun to charge down all manner and size of mogul field as the masses flail about.
Very much want pop air turns off the mogul tops or straight up double them.
Magic in the trees (I was at Steamboat, so there are a bunch and can be steep and tight).
Reminded me of how the Kusalas ski so well in the trees: think "turn", and you will.
Can lay an edge on groomers and firm.

Second day was soon much better.
Boots engaged.
Visibility regained.
Was able to get forward but centered.
On the first day I was having some problems getting my weight forward enough to engage the tips, which gave the tails something to say.
Only twice did the speak (once at the end of the day when I was tired, and once when trying to link two very steep jump turns).
I'm sure with a retune of tail these skis will be money.

I've been hoping to find a ski that is playful, can zenski tight technical lines, but is still stable and can be chargey like the Kusala is, but with a narrower waist.
The R110 feels like that.

Very damp, yet lively.
Could be a playful daily driver.
Excited to get more time on them.

Fine work Marshal!

[The Iron Horse]

I've been hoping to find a ski that is playful, can zenski tight technical lines, but is still stable and can be chargey like the Kusala is, but with a narrower waist.
The R110 feels like that.

Very damp, yet lively.
Could be a playful daily driver.
Excited to get more time on them.

Fine work Marshal!

Man, that's the review I was hoping for. You just made my decision a whole lot easier.

[N1CK.]

Hey pfluff, could you please post a rocker pic of tips and tails?

[shank]

Tomorrow we shall ski in the rain

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These were posted a couple pages back, R110 left and FR110 right


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[N1CK.]

These were posted a couple pages back, R110 left and FR110 right
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got it. thanks!

is there somebody with a pair of Rs floating around in Colorado that might let me take for a joyride lap or three?

[CaliBrit]

Going to sell my FR110’s 186. Played with mount point, my honest opinion is they are meant to be skied in the -6.5 to -5.5 range and trying to go further back is trying to make them something they are not. They are great there, just not the ski/style I’m looking for.

PM me if you want some now vs waiting on preorder. Price will be reasonable. I’ll give it a week before I stick them in gear swap.

1 set of holes for demo strives.

[rightcoast]

Pm sent

[pfluffenmeister]

Put a third day on my R110s, and: Oh Yes!!
Biscuits and Gravy baby!
I have a penchant for runs with food names:
Flapjacks at Winter Park.
Meatball (Sandwich) at Taos.
Biscuits (and Gravy) at Steamboat.
I'll find myself calling out the food name apon each turn.
Or having a conversation with myself:
"Meatball ... Sandwich"
"Meatball ... Sandwich"
"What do you want for supper?"
"Meatbaaaall Sandwich!!"

Today it was:
"Biscuits ..."
"And Gravy!"
"Biscuits ..."
" Don't forget the Gravy"

Pretty much all the way down the tightest bumpiest tree line on offer.

Helps with the breathing I think.

Come to think of it, the only time I've ever screamed out a war cry on skis it was on the Y-Chutes at Breckenridge.
No plan to yell or scream anything.
Drop in and on turn three yelled out:

"BAAAAAAAACCCCCOOOOONNNNN!!!!!"

Which pretty much took me all way down the face.
Got back to the car, was dekitting looked over to the guy next to me doing the same and told him:

"I got my Bacon run in today."
He's like "What's a Bacon run?"
I scream out " BAAAAAAAACCCCCOOOOOONNNN!!!!!"
And set off a car alarm that was like 80' away.
To which I maniacally laugh and say:
"The power of Bacon is strong!!"

Funny data point:
The first time I threw the R110s onto the ground to step into the binders, before the even stopped moving, dude walking by says:

"Those are some dope skis."

He was not wrong.

got it. thanks!

is there somebody with a pair of Rs floating around in Colorado that might let me take for a joyride lap or three?

What's your BSL?

[fleaches]

Going to sell my FR110’s 186. Played with mount point, my honest opinion is they are meant to be skied in the -6.5 to -5.5 range and trying to go further back is trying to make them something they are not. They are great there, just not the ski/style I’m looking for.

PM me if you want some now vs waiting on preorder. Price will be reasonable. I’ll give it a week before I stick them in gear swap.

1 set of holes for demo strives.

Also potentially interested if rightcoast passes

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[Shorty_J]

Put a third day on my R110s, and: Oh Yes!!
Biscuits and Gravy baby!
I have a penchant for runs with food names:
Flapjacks at Winter Park.
Meatball (Sandwich) at Taos.
Biscuits (and Gravy) at Steamboat.
I'll find myself calling out the food name apon each turn.
Or having a conversation with myself:
"Meatball ... Sandwich"
"Meatball ... Sandwich"
"What do you want for supper?"
"Meatbaaaall Sandwich!!"

Today it was:
"Biscuits ..."
"And Gravy!"
"Biscuits ..."
" Don't forget the Gravy"

Pretty much all the way down the tightest bumpiest tree line on offer.

Helps with the breathing I think.

Come to think of it, the only time I've ever screamed out a war cry on skis it was on the Y-Chutes at Breckenridge.
No plan to yell or scream anything.
Drop in and on turn three yelled out:

"BAAAAAAAACCCCCOOOOONNNNN!!!!!"

Which pretty much took me all way down the face.
Got back to the car, was dekitting looked over to the guy next to me doing the same and told him:

"I got my Bacon run in today."
He's like "What's a Bacon run?"
I scream out " BAAAAAAAACCCCCOOOOOONNNN!!!!!"
And set off a car alarm that was like 80' away.
To which I maniacally laugh and say:
"The power of Bacon is strong!!"

Funny data point:
The first time I threw the R110s onto the ground to step into the binders, before the even stopped moving, dude walking by says:

"Those are some dope skis."

He was not wrong.



What's your BSL?

I'm pretty sure this is the best ski review in history.

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[N1CK.]

What's your BSL?

315

[mc_roon]

Marshal is my drug dealer

192 FR110 & 187 BC120

will be out on both this weekend

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Marshal is my drug dealer

192 FR110 & 187 BC120

will be out on both this weekend

We have the same dealer [emoji23]



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