WTB: Insulated midlayer pants (including 3/4 length)

[jhollowed]

Looking for a midlayer to layer under a soft shell (OR Cirque), and over long johns. Would love to find:

Patagonia Nano Air Light pants
Arcteryx Axino Knickers
Backcountry Wolverine Cirque 3/4

or something similar... open to suggestions. Men's S or M. Cheers!

[Cruiser]

Mammut down/polartec hybrid knickers are tits also

[Alpinord]

Subscribing, because I was sorta looking for a 3/4 insulated, too. In the mean time I have been simply using my Ridge Merino Joggers and pull them up a bit. They're also useful for other activities plus and as a casual pant if you wanted to take off the soft shells.

[nyskirat]

I have these:

https://scandinavianoutdoor.com/hagl...mimic-34-pant/

They rock.

Not as warm as my Norrona ones but at ~50% the price of the Norrona ones and much more durable.

[jhollowed]

Interesting. They look rather short though, how far down to they come on you? I'm really hoping to find something that comes right up to the boot, which I would expect to be more versatile

I have these:

https://scandinavianoutdoor.com/hagl...mimic-34-pant/

They rock.

Not as warm as my Norrona ones but at ~50% the price of the Norrona ones and much more durable.

[Dee Hubbs]

I would like a pair of Men's Helly Hansen Lifaloft Full-Zip Insulator 3/4 pant in Large is some one is selling a pair.
https://www.hellyhansen.com/en_us/li...2?color=290653

[pfluffenmeister]

I have a pair of like new Stio Ferosi insulated knickers that I might sell.
Men's medium.

[SKIP IN7RO]

Make an appointment and get some Melanzana Wind Pro Sweats and hem to 3/4 length.

[lucasulmer]

If anybody has a lead on Backcountry’s old style full-zip Wolverine Cirque 3/4 pants, in a medium, lemme know.
https://www.backcountry.com/backcoun...s-mens-bccz25y

[jhyatt]

I went through this and if you limit yourself to 3/4 knickers it's a pain. Just get regular length and have them hemmed (I just cut them off) and then many more options. You can experiment with an older pair of full length pants.
In my experience synthetic fleece material is fine just cut off and then heated a little to melt the edge. Just watch if you melt toouch it can make a sharp edge that can chafe your upper calf.
There are some cheap R1 like pants at places like Cabela's.


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[connersw]

I know OP is looking for 3/4/boot top, but if someone just wants insulation between their sweet cheeks and the chair, I have some Vaude insulated shorts only worn once. Size M/50 (this a true Med Euro fit, not fat American Med). Full zip sides. $50 shipped.

[ticketchecker]

I have a pair of like new Stio Ferosi insulated knickers that I might sell.
Men's medium.

Solid option right there


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[Alpinord]

I went through this and if you limit yourself to 3/4 knickers it's a pain. Just get regular length and have them hemmed (I just cut them off) and then many more options. You can experiment with an older pair of full length pants.
In my experience synthetic fleece material is fine just cut off and then heated a little to melt the edge. Just watch if you melt toouch it can make a sharp edge that can chafe your upper calf.
There are some cheap R1 like pants at places like Cabela's.


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"Peppy & cheap" approach for the win. I did this to one of my multiple pairs of Bouré Thermal Traveler pants. These are not as insulating as some of the others presented, but a good 'tweener option. Alternatively, with these type pants you can simply unzip the cuff and either fold them up or let them cover the top of the boot if you have room in your soft shell cuff.

Bouré Elite Thermal Bike Knickers are an option, but the articulated design is less than ideal for touring or XC skiing.

[kootenayskier]

For mid-layer pants, basic fleece pants are cheap and widely available, you can choose the weight/warmth, and can be easily cut to length. I took a pair of well worn Icebreaker woollen sweatpants, cut them to length, used the fabric to sew in some extra ass padding for cold chairlift rides (essential here at Red Mountain), and installed a heavy duty drawstring. Luxurious.

[Dee Hubbs]

While a fleece pant is a good option to use as a layer while getting dressed in the morning, a synthetic down, full side zipper, pant is a totally different piece of gear.
Just like packing a spare puffy jacket for emergency situations, a “puffy pant” can be be used in the same situation. The double leg zipper, with full length zippers are the essential feature. The reason I like the full zip (both legs) insulator pant is that it can be stuffed inside my bib shells and zipped up without having to removing my boots or bibs, or easily zipped over top my shell pants while stopping for lunch or digging a pit on a really cold day, or easily zipped over an injured party while waiting for rescue.
It’s the piece of gear that you don’t realize is so vital and useful until you actually need it and come to use it.
My HH 3/4 insulator pants (original version) were lost in a airline luggage situation (blown out luggage zipper/TSA not closing zipper), and I really should just buy a new pair to replace them.

[JET123]

Stio Ferosi knickers

[waxloaf]

Steep and cheap has some backcountry branded down pants for a solid price right now. No idea if they’re any good, but just got myself a pair to try them out. As Dee notes, I plan to mainly use them as emergency pants, but also as a midlayer on resort days in the single digits

[singlesline]

Bouré Elite Thermal Bike Knickers are an option, but the articulated design is less than ideal for touring or XC skiing.

Ooh, thanks for pointing these out, I might have to try them.

I have an old pair of Ibex merino knickers that I absolutely love. Wish I also had a pair of the bib-knicker version. At this point I've crashed in them a few times and the chamois is getting worn out, but they have been one of my all time favorite pieces of riding gear.

I hoped they would make a comeback when Ibex relaunched under new ownership, but they seem to have abandoned the cycling market.

These look like they could be a good substitute (but yeah, not great for touring/xc skiing given the chamois and shape).

[2FUNKY]

Steep and cheap has some backcountry branded down pants for a solid price right now. No idea if they’re any good, but just got myself a pair to try them out. As Dee notes, I plan to mainly use them as emergency pants, but also as a midlayer on resort days in the single digits

These?

https://www.steepandcheap.com/backco...down-pant-mens

800 fill seems lofty for a ski layer. They look nice and price is right for a lounger.
The hunt continues.


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[waxloaf]

Yeah that’s it.

I was under the impression that fill # was a down quality metric (ie, higher number provides more warmth per gram) as opposed to a loft/weight measurement, but I’m not an expert by any stretch. In any event I can report back when I have em if folks are interested.

[2FUNKY]

Yeah that’s it.

I was under the impression that fill # was a down quality metric (ie, higher number provides more warmth per gram) as opposed to a loft/weight measurement, but I’m not an expert by any stretch. In any event I can report back when I have em if folks are interested.

Cool! Yeah, that was a bad play on words attempt. Lol! Still, for an insulation layer 800fill seems like a lot for pants.


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[nyskirat]

Interesting. They look rather short though, how far down to they come on you? I'm really hoping to find something that comes right up to the boot, which I would expect to be more versatile

Just below the knee but I'm in a size S at 5'11 (150 pounds). So not boottop unfortunately in that size but I don't know if length is consistent across sizes.

Edit: Here they are on Haglof's site with a few pictures as reference:

https://www.haglofs.com/en/activitie...-men-6053742AT

[Dee Hubbs]

^ The Hoglofs are nice. When I worked in Sweden a few of the guys in the office had these, and zipped them over their (indoor) pants to walk home from the office. The other brand popular in Sweden was Stellar, who also make an Insulated 3/4 length full zip pant.
This is when I first saw insulated pants that were functional/technical, I had only seen ever seen Mt Everest style, 1990 technology puffy pants that you could never do any high impact activities in.
After my first winter working in Sweden is when bought the Helly Hansen 3/4 insulator pant.

[Alpinord]

Ooh, thanks for pointing these out, I might have to try them.

I have an old pair of Ibex merino knickers that I absolutely love. Wish I also had a pair of the bib-knicker version. At this point I've crashed in them a few times and the chamois is getting worn out, but they have been one of my all time favorite pieces of riding gear.

I hoped they would make a comeback when Ibex relaunched under new ownership, but they seem to have abandoned the cycling market.

These look like they could be a good substitute (but yeah, not great for touring/xc skiing given the chamois and shape).

You might try contacting Drew/staff and see if they’d be able to do any customization you might want. Good products. Good people.


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[iriponsnow]

I have Stio Knickers in a small that I wore once & purchased the Medium. If anyone wants the smalls- can make a cheap deal on em.