Employees Quitting

[californiagrown]

Its basic manners/ social ettiquite. Many people these days, including many in this thread, condone forgoing those in many aspects of life but especially in the workplace. Its shitty.

[AdironRider]

On the flip side of this, I once learned I got fired when I left the office to take a shit (shared bathroom with another firm on the floor) and my badge didn't work to get back in. I do enjoy a leisurely dump on company time, but it was still pretty ruthless. 53rd floor, since I know some of you are wondering...

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That is why I shit on company time.

[CarlMega]

Its basic manners/ social ettiquite. Many people these days, including many in this thread, condone forgoing those in many aspects of life but especially in the workplace. Its shitty.

I think you're onto something. Was just thinking about this: the employee/employer relationship has become so matter-of-fact adversarial that some employees have forgotten to use common sense discretion.

Just because societally, management has leveraged it's advantage in unfair ways, it doesn't mean you have carte blanche justification as an employee to be shitty. Not all "F you to the man" are equal.

Yeah, some A-holes deserve a pop in the kisser, but that doesn't mean you throw down on every slight or grievance.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Right. The imagined obligations are amazing, here…

If I have a manager who is running into issues keeping people on their team, I can usually trace it back to their management skillset. It would be a huge red flag if they had a single person quit without notice, much less if it happened more than once.

The only obligation I have to my employer is to do my job well. It’s up to the employer to make it desirable for me to stay. How that is accomplished is up to them. “At will” goes both ways. I’ve never been fired or laid off and I’ve been recruited heavily. If you hire me you get your money’s worth and then some.


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[exsparky]

As long as an employee tells me the truth, I don't care what they tell me. If they get an awesome offer and need to leave right now, I understand that.

Many of my people (a third) have left me and come back. That happens because we were both truthful, their other offer wasn't. I have spoken to many of my ex employees. I spoke to one today and bought out another last Friday when his business didn't work out. We can still be cool, even if we become competitors.

You can never fire an employee too soon but you can fire one too late.

In the times of covid, everyone at your business is expendable. You need a succession plan for everyone, including the boss.

I spend over $100k a year on education. They may leave and I'm out that money but its better than having untrained people forever.

If somebody's work name is "Angry John," fire him. They can't make enough money for that to continue.

Insurance is a shitty deal and it gets worse every year. If you don't understand that, you are probably stupid. We should deport (I don't care if they were born here) a third of the people milking that system all the way around to scare the others.

^If this stuff irks you, that's fine ignore it.




I spend money on therapists if somebody needs it, without stigma. Its the right thing to do and should happen more.
I have a guy that takes off Friday afternoons to go to group at the VA.

[XXX-er]

30 yars working for the mother corp where nothing much you did made much difference and nothing that happened made much sense, I have since worked for the small outfit where i am the only employee and its important for that job to get done and be a success

very different

[californiagrown]

The only obligation I have to my employer is to do my job well. It’s up to the employer to make it desirable for me to stay. How that is accomplished is up to them. “At will” goes both ways. I’ve never been fired or laid off and I’ve been recruited heavily. If you hire me you get your money’s worth and then some.


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You're also not obligated to be a nice respectful person in everyday life... But you'd be an asshole oif you weren't. Just cause you can do it, doesn't mean you're not an asshole for doing it.

And similar to your industry, my industry was 100% employed these past few years. Didn't matter how bad you sucked, we took warm bodies and tried to make them work. And it resulted in an extremely entitled younger workforce that has only known that environment. With the big slowdown we are starting down, they are in for a ride awakening in the next few years.

[jackattack]

With the big slowdown we are starting down, they are in for a ride awakening in the next few years.

Are you going to give them 2 weeks notice?

[californiagrown]

Are you going to give them 2 weeks notice?

No. We will probably give them 4-6 weeks pay (depending on tenure) and no notice.

When we fire someone normally, they are told they need to shape up and are put on an 8 week improvement plan with weekly check-ins with their manager. So we basically give them 8 weeks notice.

[fastfred]

You're hiring for gig work but have expectations of them like a career employee?

I think this was missed

Lots of employers these days treat it like this

[yeahman]

I think this was missed

Lots of employers these days treat it like this

It really doesn't matter if you're a gig worker or staff employee or whatever. You make your intentions clear well in advance and never leave somebody in the lurch.

It's really not that hard.

[Meadow Skipper]

It really doesn't matter if you're a gig worker or staff employee or whatever. You make your intentions clear well in advance and never leave somebody in the lurch.

It's really not that hard.

Yeah, the OP wasn’t about whether the employees should quit or not, it was about giving notice.

[oldnew_guy]

I always seem to end up doing jack shit the second week wondering why I wasn’t off doing something I wanted to do.

[oldnew_guy]

With the big slowdown we are starting down, they are in for a ride awakening in the next few years.

*fingers crossed

[MagnificentUnicorn]

It really doesn't matter if you're a gig worker or staff employee or whatever. You make your intentions clear well in advance and never leave somebody in the lurch.

It's really not that hard.

So expectations for employees is more than the employer?


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[Mustonen]

It really doesn't matter if you're a gig worker or staff employee or whatever. You make your intentions clear well in advance and never leave somebody in the lurch.

It's really not that hard.

That rationale lives on the same two way street as the rest of this thread. It doesn’t matter if you’re a gig employer or hiring for decades-long careers, if you don’t want to be left in a lurch you get to know your employees and make sure you have a feel for how stable their situation is. That’s some management 101 shit.

[fastfred]

I always seem to end up doing jack shit the second week wondering why I wasn’t off doing something I wanted to do.

that's why I take 8 weeks off a year at least
figure it out or don't
I learned the hardway walked off a number of jobs when I thought I wasn't being treated fairly just like sex after the first time it gets easier oh darn

[rideit]

Could there have been some misunderstanding of whether this job had any more opportunity than a few days a month when they started? Was that schedule good for you, for them, or both?

[neufox47]

That rationale lives on the same two way street as the rest of this thread. It doesn’t matter if you’re a gig employer or hiring for decades-long careers, if you don’t want to be left in a lurch you get to know your employees and make sure you have a feel for how stable their situation is. That’s some management 101 shit.

This. Make it known they are valued and have stability.

The only time I’ve fired people it has come with 2-8 weeks of severance. Even the people we arguably could have terminated for cause.

Also, if you decide or are forced to run your business so lean that one departure (especially if a part time employee) or absence causes issues for the business and other employees, then that’s a you / ownership problem.

[evdog]

If I have a manager who is running into issues keeping people on their team, I can usually trace it back to their management skillset. It would be a huge red flag if they had a single person quit without notice, much less if it happened more than once.

Agree with the first part but not the second.

Not sure how you call it a red flag if one person quits without notice. How someone quits is on them unless something egregious happened like abuse or harassment. There is a lot of crazy out there - employees who are clueless, selfish or lacking social awareness and will just walk away without a second thought. That isn't their manager's fault. Most good employees won't do that. People quit jobs all the time. The red flag is when there is a pattern of departures within a single team.

[SB]

Employees quilting.

The entitlement and general crappy work ethic happens on booth sides.

I see a lot of young and old spoiled socialist elitists who think the are right looking to tear down the capitalistic system that made them snug as a bug in a rug.

I also see many young folks working hard to make a future with many more hurtles in their path than previous generations had.

Which wood ewe bee?

[Mustonen]

Agree with the first part but not the second.

Not sure how you call it a red flag if one person quits without notice. How someone quits is on them unless something egregious happened like abuse or harassment. There is a lot of crazy out there - employees who are clueless, selfish or lacking social awareness and will just walk away without a second thought. That isn't their manager's fault. Most good employees won't do that. People quit jobs all the time. The red flag is when there is a pattern of departures within a single team.

It’s a red flag, not an indictment. But unless the employee is unstable or there was some major life event, it just doesn’t happen very often if you’re talking and building a relationship of trust and respect. I’m meeting with that manager immediately to figure out what the hell happened and evaluating her relationships with the rest of her team(s). Caveat: while I’ve worked with employees from PT retail staff on up, I don’t have much experience with gig workers.

[Percy Rideout]

That rationale lives on the same two way street as the rest of this thread. It doesn’t matter if you’re a gig employer or hiring for decades-long careers, if you don’t want to be left in a lurch you get to know your employees and make sure you have a feel for how stable their situation is. That’s some management 101 shit.

This guy gets it, and has hired and fired along the way.

[PNWbrit]

Also, if you decide or are forced to run your business so lean that one departure (especially if a part time employee) or absence causes issues for the business and other employees, then that’s a you / ownership problem.

^ This.

[AK47bp]

Regarding giving an employee a 2 week notice before firing. If the reason for termination is an individual’s poor performance, bad behavior etc. and not part of a larger RIF you could leave the business (and other workers) vulnerable. Usually in the form of sabotage to business systems or theft of property, client disruption, and in the worst case a disgruntled workplace violence event. Businesses can be held liable for negligent retention if a person isn’t removed once identified as a problem.

Layoffs usually come with a payout, and if the company isn’t a bunch of dicks, a couple months notice.


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