Do I want a plug boot?

[arild]

Anyone know which flex the Rossi ZE plug corresponds to, roughly? Says stiffer than ZC. The thing is that I can get them really stupid cheap, could be a nice project.

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[onenerdykid]

Edit: and also just generally confused why Redsters, Raptors, sometimes Lange RS are generally lumped into the club sport category but Doberman GPs are not. Maybe I'm just making that up

First, there are race boots and race-inspired boots. Redster CS, Raptor WCRs with flex numbers, Lange RS with flex numbers, Dobermann GP, Dalbello DRS are all in the latter category. Within the latter category, there are unique standouts like the Redster CS, Raptors, and Lange RS 140 (only) that offer narrower-than-98mm fit combined with thicker plastic. These boots are lower volume, more powerful, and more stable than the others.

[mr_pretzel]

Anyone know which flex the Rossi ZE plug corresponds to, roughly? Says stiffer than ZC. The thing is that I can get them really stupid cheap, could be a nice project.

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Stiffer than ZC?? That’s gotta be like 170+

[arild]

Stiffer than ZC?? That’s gotta be like 170+

I have a fun project on my hands. Hahaha. NOK 750, free delivery.

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[arild]

https://www.rossignol.com/no/rbk9320-000.html

For those interested. Only 26.5 in stock. No idea if the same price shows up for those outside Norway.

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[Lord Thomas]

Arlid,

Please post video of trying to get out of those boots at the end of the day. A few quick clips of skiing bumps would also be appreciated!

[arild]

Arlid,

Please post video of trying to get out of those boots at the end of the day. A few quick clips of skiing bumps would also be appreciated!

Can you wait ten months? I suspect I need to grind a fair bit to make these work. Summer project.

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[arild]

Also, I'm driving with my boots on now. Used to be only the zipfits, but find that I save a bit of time not wrestling stupid cold shells at home, where the heat gun is.

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[SnowMachine]

Also, I'm driving with my boots on now. Used to be only the zipfits, but find that I save a bit of time not wrestling stupid cold shells at home, where the heat gun is.

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I can't imagine driving anywhere substantial in ski boots. I can hardly walk in them.

My ZB's are coming along. They're darned stiff when it's cold. Painful foot extractions.

[ahuss]

My $.02, you don't want a plug boot. Go with the 95-98mm "beer-league" race boot in whatever stiffness you like. I impulse bought Redster TI 150 last year after breaking all my other boots. Yes, they are second to none on groomers but anything else was not enjoyable. Matt(onenerdykid) recommended I try the CS 130, what a difference. Just spent a week in Montana in them and they fit and ski like a dream, groomers, bumps, steeps, even old-man turns after I wrecked my back. Many other boots I have to go inside and tear off my boot in a hurry multiple times a day, never had to take my boots off in 7 days of bell to bell.

[J. Barron DeJong]

FWIW, the liners are packed out on my RX 130 LV, and while I knew it would happen, obviously, there’s more slop than I was expecting. Went to the fitter and tried some Zipfit Garas in them, but also tried on RS 140s. I thought there would be a small difference in fit between the two, given the 2mm last difference, but the reduction in volume is pretty drastic everywhere; way more difference than between a regular RX and RX LV (from what I remember).

Can’t imagine needing or wanting to go to a full plug for my use.

[arild]

FWIW, the liners are packed out on my RX 130 LV, and while I knew it would happen, obviously, there’s more slop than I was expecting. Went to the fitter and tried some Zipfit Garas in them, but also tried on RS 140s. I thought there would be a small difference in fit between the two, given the 2mm last difference, but the reduction in volume is pretty drastic everywhere; way more difference than between a regular RX and RX LV (from what I remember).

Can’t imagine needing or wanting to go to a full plug for my use.

I don't expect to actually find a good use for these, except if we start up a master's league locally, but I have a few tools, and would be very fun to get them to fit as a cheap project.

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[J. Barron DeJong]

I don't expect to actually find a good use for these, except if we start up a master's league locally, but I have a few tools, and would be very fun to get them to fit as a cheap project.

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Yeah, not directed at your project - that sounds like the kind of Quixotesque adventure I’d try myself if I could get boots cheap and could do the work myself.

I hear 170 is the proper flex for drinking piss out of, so you always have that as a fallback use if they don’t work out for actual skiing.

[arild]

Yeah, not directed at your project - that sounds like the kind of Quixotesque adventure I’d try myself if I could get boots cheap and could do the work myself.

I hear 170 is the proper flex for drinking piss out of, so you always have that as a fallback use if they don’t work out for actual skiing.

Exactly, and ankle flexion should not be a problem, either.

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[waxman]

Most high-end ski shops don't bring in many race or race-oriented boots these days. Search out a shop that focuses or leans more into the race world. Not only will they have the boot selection you're looking for (which is the correct direction you should be heading in) but they also have the tools, knowledge, and accessories you'll need to turn a race boot into more of an "all mountain" boot - like shock absorbing boot boards and grippier lifters for grip/traction/replaceability.

Are you a high end shop if you don't bring in race or race oriented boots? Once the industry gets over this stupid every boot has to have a walk mode for people who are "thinking of touring" and we can get back to real alpine ski boots the better. Your Redster CS/Hawx Ultra, Lange blue boots of all flavors and some others should work for a lot of skiers if they are fit properly. Of course being in a mountain town most of the issues we see are boots that are 2-3 or even 4 sizes too big from metropolitan shops.

[kokomas]

Settling in on Raptors 140rs. Thanks for help here. It's going to be sweet once my bootfitter goes to work

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[waxman]

Anyone know which flex the Rossi ZE plug corresponds to, roughly? Says stiffer than ZC. The thing is that I can get them really stupid cheap, could be a nice project.

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hmm, I worked for Lange for 10 years, still sell them at retail never seen a ZE? ZJ+, ZJ, ZA, ZB, ZC and ZI. We used to say the ZI was the boot that Thomas Grandi sent back for being too stiff, primarily to discourage Masters racer from ordering them and all the hassle that would entail.

EDIT: just went and checked, the ZE seems to be a Rossi only product and is still in the catalog in the new grey race boot.

[arild]

hmm, I worked for Lange for 10 years, still sell them at retail never seen a ZE? ZJ+, ZJ, ZA, ZB, ZC and ZI. We used to say the ZI was the boot that Thomas Grandi sent back for being too stiff, primarily to discourage Masters racer from ordering them and all the hassle that would entail.

Interesting. I'm secretly hoping they screwed up the shipping and sent me ZBs, will find out next week. Norwegian kroners are stupid weak now, so these would be the equivalent of $70 US, shipped, direct from Rossi.



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[arild]

Got the ZEs, super nice fit for my feet, especially heel and instep. Need some grinding at bunions and sixth toes, but overall, super comfy. At my happy place regarding forward lean, as well. Need no toe length stretching/grinding, just sublime.

I have no illusions that I'm going to daily drive these, but will be fun come spring next season.

Now, anyone know anything about the Lange RS140s in comparison to lange/rossi plugs? Are they essentially more generous in inside volume ZBs? Instep?

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[waxman]

Got the ZEs, super nice fit for my feet, especially heel and instep. Need some grinding at bunions and sixth toes, but overall, super comfy. At my happy place regarding forward lean, as well. Need no toe length stretching/grinding, just sublime.

I have no illusions that I'm going to daily drive these, but will be fun come spring next season.

Now, anyone know anything about the Lange RS140s in comparison to lange/rossi plugs? Are they essentially more generous in inside volume ZBs? Instep?

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probably a less generous volume RS 130 in reality, but can't be positive as they never showed up in Canada (in any great numbers anyway)

[XXX-er]

I can't imagine driving anywhere substantial in ski boots. I can hardly walk in them.

My ZB's are coming along. They're darned stiff when it's cold. Painful foot extractions.

I used to drive a 5spd Ranger with Vulcans but its only a couple of miles

[arild]

probably a less generous volume RS 130 in reality, but can't be positive as they never showed up in Canada (in any great numbers anyway)

Cheers. A few in my size over here. No rush to figure things out.

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[mr_pretzel]

Cheers. A few in my size over here. No rush to figure things out.

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It’s not like the RS130 imo.
It’s like the XX3mm bsl plug fit just 3mm more space in every direction according to jummo, which seems to be correct, I haven’t done the work to make the pair I got fit yet

Could work well for you! Not as stiff as the ZB, but not soft.

[waxman]

It’s not like the RS130 imo.
It’s like the XX3mm bsl plug fit just 3mm more space in every direction according to jummo, which seems to be correct, I haven’t done the work to make the pair I got fit yet

Could work well for you! Not as stiff as the ZB, but not soft.

cool, like i said ours never came, is the sole routered to DIN standards out of the box?

[mr_pretzel]

cool, like i said ours never came, is the sole routered to DIN standards out of the box?

Correction:
Mine were, but they still have the non-compliant sticker and tag on them. Maybe the random shop I ordered them from had them routered I’m not sure

Correction again: It’s a different sticker, says not ISO 5355, not the same sticker as the plugs that says must grind, so probably ground from the factory then