The Atomic Ski Boot Thread

[BlazersTimbers503]

I’m still loving my OG XTD 130’s. I also love my resort Hawx Ultra 130 S’s… I just wish they were a bit beefier/heavier to make them as damp feeling as my old Lange RX130’s. But for me personally, the fit is just so dialed for my foot that it’s hard to justify trying any boots other than the Hawx series. If I had a vote, I’d vote that the XTD’s scratch the itch for the resort rippers looking for a lightweight boot… and as an added bonus - you can tour on them! Then for the resort rippers looking for a heavier, stable, non-plug all-mountain boot - there you have the non-XTD Hawx Ultra 130’s. Sadly, the extra tech in the XTD and the additional money it costs to make probably makes that wish impossible.


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[onenerdykid]

But next year's Hawx Ultra XTD and Hawx Prime XTD are identical other than volume? So I could get a very good sense of the stiffness and walkability by trying on this year's Prime XTD 130?


Sure, of course. I'll guess I'll have to wait until my friends get the PU XTD or try them on myself.

I have always loved that you guys don't do toe dams, etc. So the women's top version will be a 115 flex? Is it as stiff as the Hawx XTD 115? My wife has both the old Backland (with a men's tongue) and the old Hawx XTD 115, and definitely would love something that walks closer to the Backland but skis closer to the Hawx XTD 115. She's very excited about the new Backland XTD Carbon 115 W. I know you were saying the lower has less carbon than other carbon-infused plastics, so it punches decently. Is it also possible to stretch the calf area of the Backland XTD Carbon 115 W? My wife has stretched this area on all her previous Atomic touring boots.

Re: Ultra XTD vs Prime XTD - more similarities than differences, but the main difference is the sole/grip pads. Ultra XTD has a glued-on sole, Prime XTD has a screwed-on sole. Otherwise (aside from BOA) same parts/features/benefits.

Re: Backland XTD 115 - Flex/skiing performance is very close to the Prime XTD 115; not 1:1, but definitely stiffer/more powerful than a Backland Carbon. The cuff is definitely able to be stretched (smaller American footballs are awesome for this) but I would first try the AFS cuff spoiler. This is a spoiler that is clicked into the cuff to provide the same cuff volume as a Prime/Prime XTD W cuff but when removed lowers the cuff height by 6mm and increases the cuff circumference by over 10mm (which is more than going up a cuff size). All of our women's Hawx & Hawx XTD boots have this feature but now it is on Backland XTD too.

[auvgeek]

Thanks Matt!!

[carlh]

You already have my money on both ultras and xtds but I agree with this. A hawx xtd fit, lean and gripwalk soles at a redster cs weight would have my attention as my next pair of boots. I am hoping moving to a professional liner in a couple years will let me get a good number of seasons out of my ultras so that boot can wait a few seasons.

I’m still loving my OG XTD 130’s. I also love my resort Hawx Ultra 130 S’s… I just wish they were a bit beefier/heavier to make them as damp feeling as my old Lange RX130’s. But for me personally, the fit is just so dialed for my foot that it’s hard to justify trying any boots other than the Hawx series. If I had a vote, I’d vote that the XTD’s scratch the itch for the resort rippers looking for a lightweight boot… and as an added bonus - you can tour on them! Then for the resort rippers looking for a heavier, stable, non-plug all-mountain boot - there you have the non-XTD Hawx Ultra 130’s. Sadly, the extra tech in the XTD and the additional money it costs to make probably makes that wish impossible.


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[onenerdykid]

I’m still loving my OG XTD 130’s. I also love my resort Hawx Ultra 130 S’s… I just wish they were a bit beefier/heavier to make them as damp feeling as my old Lange RX130’s. But for me personally, the fit is just so dialed for my foot that it’s hard to justify trying any boots other than the Hawx series. If I had a vote, I’d vote that the XTD’s scratch the itch for the resort rippers looking for a lightweight boot… and as an added bonus - you can tour on them! Then for the resort rippers looking for a heavier, stable, non-plug all-mountain boot - there you have the non-XTD Hawx Ultra 130’s. Sadly, the extra tech in the XTD and the additional money it costs to make probably makes that wish impossible.


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My 0.02€ - If you love the fit of a Hawx Ultra, then it is very easy to make a Redster CS 130 work for you. This boot is more stable than an RX 130 (or even an RS 130) and with a couple of extras (dual component lifters and ShockStopper boot board), you will have the same resort freeride weapon that our FWT athletes are using. For a pure resort weapon, nothing beats it.

[abcdethan]

@onenerdykid If I like the fit of the Hawx XTD 130, and somewhat the backland carbon (minus the high instep) could I get the backland XTD possibly work, even though its a Prime last? I mostly like the small heel pocket of both Atomic boots and the instep of the Hawx is great for my feet.

[onenerdykid]

@onenerdykid If I like the fit of the Hawx XTD 130, and somewhat the backland carbon (minus the high instep) could I get the backland XTD possibly work, even though its a Prime last? I mostly like the small heel pocket of both Atomic boots and the instep of the Hawx is great for my feet.

I would need to clarify a few things: Do you mean Hawx Ultra XTD 130, or the Prime XTD 130? Is your foot more lower in volume, or medium volume, or high volume?

The Backland XTD will fit more like a Prime (MV) than an Ultra (LV).

[oetk2]

My 0.02€ - If you love the fit of a Hawx Ultra, then it is very easy to make a Redster CS 130 work for you. This boot is more stable than an RX 130 (or even an RS 130) and with a couple of extras (dual component lifters and ShockStopper boot board), you will have the same resort freeride weapon that our FWT athletes are using. For a pure resort weapon, nothing beats it.

This is the debate I'm having. Currently in an ultra 120 and need more boot. How's the instep fit on the CS? I've needed width on the ultra so would assume I'd need significantly more on the CS

Have first gen XTD for my 5 days touring a season

[abcdethan]

I would need to clarify a few things: Do you mean Hawx Ultra XTD 130, or the Prime XTD 130? Is your foot more lower in volume, or medium volume, or high volume?

The Backland XTD will fit more like a Prime (MV) than an Ultra (LV).

I have the Hawx Ultra XTD 130. I've never put my foot in a boot with the Prime Last. Currently, my DD boot its the new Transalp Pro that fits the quiver of the new Backland XTD, but the ankle pocket is a little too big for my foot shape after getting some days in it.

[onenerdykid]

This is the debate I'm having. Currently in an ultra 120 and need more boot. How's the instep fit on the CS? I've needed width on the ultra so would assume I'd need significantly more on the CS

Have first gen XTD for my 5 days touring a season

Redster CS instep is a little lower vertically, but slightly longer in the heel-to-instep perimeter (the throat of the shell is more open on the CS). Width is super easy to make with a combination of grinding (to thin the plastic a bit) and then stretching as needed. The PU plastic is super easy to work on.

[onenerdykid]

I have the Hawx Ultra XTD 130. I've never put my foot in a boot with the Prime Last. Currently, my DD boot its the new Transalp Pro that fits the quiver of the new Backland XTD, but the ankle pocket is a little too big for my foot shape after getting some days in it.

If an Ultra feels at home, the Backland XTD is most likely going to feel a bit roomy for you. But give it a try on when they hit stores and do a side-by-side comparison with your Transalp. Won't really know for sure until you can dunk your foot into one.

[oetk2]

Redster CS instep is a little lower vertically, but slightly longer in the heel-to-instep perimeter (the throat of the shell is more open on the CS). Width is super easy to make with a combination of grinding (to thin the plastic a bit) and then stretching as needed. The PU plastic is super easy to work on.

Does the shock stopper add any internal height? Instep height might be an issue. I'll find one to try on.

[onenerdykid]

Does the shock stopper add any internal height? Instep height might be an issue. I'll find one to try on.

It's the same boot board shape & mold, just with a different material. It's a softer, completely flexible & dense foam that is still fully grindable so if you need to create the usual space by grinding down the boot board it won't get in your way.

[TexasGortex]

I loved boot boards like that in my old boots. Is there anywhere you can order them or are they dealer only?

[onenerdykid]

I loved boot boards like that in my old boots. Is there anywhere you can order them or are they dealer only?

In the US & Canada, they are available only through Atomic dealers and any of them can order some for you. If you are in Euroland, they are available online.

We've got them for Redster CS (Part# AZE001810), Hawx Ultra-Prime-Magna-Prime XTD (Part# AZE001808) and Hawx Ultra XTD (Part# AZE001812).