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  1. #76
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    back in the day i used a 6" piece of 2x4 ish wood and a c-clamp

    of course i checked to make sure it was 90

    a skill I learned in grade 8 shop class
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  2. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    back in the day i used a 6" piece of 2x4 ish wood and a c-clamp

    of course i checked to make sure it was 90

    a skill I learned in grade 8 shop class
    Which would leave a 91 degree edge if your base has 1 degree.

    Side edge guide and pony clamp is $25 from the link above.
    And it lets you get 1 degree 1 degree for a 90 degree edge.
    Or. If ice coasting you go one degree two degree for 89 bite. Or buy another guide and go all in for one and three.
    But the more angle the more vulnerable. Rock hits on 88 degree edge is brutal.

  3. #78
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    my base didnt have a 1 degree so i was getting 90,

    I was more worried about losing ski than hitting a rock
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  4. #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackattack View Post
    Standard aluminum side bevel file guides in 88* and 89* from Swix/Toko/Racewax etc.
    "The Beast" 1deg base bevel guide
    spring clamp
    bastard and a nice mill file
    extra credit- a series of diamond stones from coarse to fine

    keep it simple MFer
    Thatís the stuff I use, but I usually skip the clamp because I have these clamps here on the end of my arms. Mostly just wondering if thereís some cool tool that Iím missing out on. I thought there was when I purchased that plastic abomination, but even after I sort out which arrow points to which angle base or side it still doesnít seem to do as good as the basic tool.

    I probably just need to invest in a quality file, no more of this hardware store bullshit. That and ride my outside edge a little more.
    focus.

  5. #80
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustonen View Post
    This thread is fun. Every now and then I worry weíre turning into epic ski, but the general callouts and shit slinging in this thread put my fears at easeÖ.
    Definitely bringing the lulz

  6. #81
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    Angles are funny. One degree is so small over the width of a ski edge.

    But no base bevel is savage. Maybe on a 65 or 75 waist. But on wider skis I found a half to be hooky.

    The great and exalted wizard of Marshall Olsen posted somewhere here he runs two and two on any ski over 100. I guess it makes sense on a wider ski. I just try to keep it simple with one and one.
    Last edited by Core Shot; 01-23-2023 at 11:11 AM.

  7. #82
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    Good reading.

    I like these guys. Good tools and good videos;

    https://us.sidecut.com/

    Ace and TrueValue are franchised and you can sell whatever the fuck you want in addition. I want to see this Truckee hardware store. My hometown Ace was practically an armory.

    It was said we don’t need edges out here in the West; Mt. Hood and its Cascade brothers and sisters say otherwise.

    I am also another crazy person who likes factory angles and mount points.

    Maybe we need a whole thread where thick skinned people post pictures of themselves skiing and get all the advice the PSIA folks are too nice to say?


    Dude who posted the photos of skiing. I got a metaphor for you. Think of each foot as a cup and you are pouring water back and forth into. Pour the water too much, too fast and you are going to spill it. Keep skiing like that and you are about spill yourself. You got two feet for a reason make them both carry weight (not equally) through your turn, and for fuck sake get your hands where you can see them. Carry on and have fun.
    "Let's be careful out there."

  8. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by kootenayskier View Post
    Iíve been tuning skis for a long time, using a variety of methods, but find the Orb as simple and effective as Iíve tried for maintaining a 1 degree base and 2 degree sidewall bevel on multiple pairs of skis.

    https://www.tools4boards.com/orb-8-w...edger-kit.html

    Itís a full three stage process to get each pair set up and then again at the start of the season, otherwise itís just an every few days of skiing pass with the Diamond stone puck to keep the edges and bevels perfect.
    Is it made of plastic or metal? I've had my eye on that tool for a while but I wasn't sure how securely the pucks were held in place.

  9. #84
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    Thanks for the pointers. The tools4boards combi-cut special steel file is most excellent and is cheap ($28), as are their hone duo diamonds. If you're open to buying some dedicated metal angle guides these are super worth it considering how noticeably more efficiently they cut than other mid-priced files and diamonds. The green and pink ski visions stones that slidewright sells are a game changer for edge touch ups too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cork7 Belly Flop View Post
    Is it made of plastic or metal? I've had my eye on that tool for a while but I wasn't sure how securely the pucks were held in place.
    Itís all plastic, and the pucks just click into place. However itís so convenient, more than accurate enough for my non-racing needs, and seems to handle my volume of tuning ( a couple of touch ups and perhaps one full tune a week) just fine. I did break an orb after a few years use, but they sent me a replacement fast and free. Itís obviously not a shop/comp/high production setup (which Iíve used lots in the past), but it works great for my needs in the limited multi-use space I have.

  11. #86
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    If anyoneís looking to put together a full tuning set up from scratch, it may be worth looking into ordering from a place in Europe, like SnowInn. Havenít checked recently, but their prices on Swix and Toko stuff are usually much lower than North America.

    Just donít order a wax iron from them.

  12. #87
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    The most important tuning video. The Q & P
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi4N4duxwgk

  13. #88
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    So if one of the functions of base bevel is to allow the ski to roll over onto the edge easier, would a higher bevel like 2 degrees make a wider ski easier to got on edge?
    Anybody have thoughts/experience with this?

  14. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnfarmer View Post
    So if one of the functions of base bevel is to allow the ski to roll over onto the edge easier, would a higher bevel like 2 degrees make a wider ski easier to got on edge?
    Anybody have thoughts/experience with this?
    I would say no. It doesn't allow a ski to get on edge easier it allows it to do so more smoothly/predictably on variable or grabby surfaces. The width of the ski will not change the fact that it takes more angulation to get 2* base bevel up on edge than 1*. However the difference in how much angulation is needed between 1* and 2* base bevel will be less noticeable when tipping a wider ski over than a narrower one

  15. #90
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    Exactly. A wider ski with more base bevel needs even more knee angle to bite.

    It’s reducing grabby or hookiness.

  16. #91
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    I have been using these guys for my tuning needs. They are west coast so I like to support them. Also, here is a base level meter, I bought it one a day where I had beer money left over at the end of the season.

    http://svst.com/

    http://svst.com/Shop/Edge-Tuning-Sup...vel-Meter.html

  17. #92
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    Ballet Skis FTW! Turn all your skis in to ballet skis..
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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