Softest Funnest mid-fat Lightweight Touring Ski?

**beeshbeesh** · 12-08-2022, 10:24 AM

Like, a ski with the flex of a blade optic 104 in a 186 that weighs 1600 grams.

Does it exist?

**gregL** · 12-08-2022, 10:25 AM

Elan Ripstick Tour 104

**Jongle** · 12-08-2022, 10:35 AM

Atomic Bent 110? I’ve only skied the 120, but on paper the 110 is just a skinnier version.

Edit: overlooked the obvious and probably correct answer: Line Vision 108.

**gregL** · 12-08-2022, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by beeshbeesh

Like, a ski with the flex of a blade optic 104 in a 186 that weighs 1600 grams.

Blade Optic 104 isn't particularly "soft" (flex a SFB by comparison), it's just a very well-balanced ski that does pretty much everything well.

**tgapp** · 12-08-2022, 11:09 AM

the answer to this and all other mid-fat touring ski questions is always the bmt109

it's not a particularly soft flex but it is round and consistent and amazingly forgiving and hella hella fun

**jmedslc** · 12-08-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by gregL

Elan Ripstick Tour 104

Yeah was gonna say my Ripstick 96 (1650g) aren’t exceedingly “soft” but they really do ski everything well and are my go to ski for general touring when I lock the heel down. They even do well in deeper powder despite being only 96. As for “fun as hell” the Ripstick is definitely a traditional shape, which may or may not fit the fun factor.

While I haven’t skied it yet, I expect the tour 104 is an excellent all around touring ski.

**XXX-er** · 12-08-2022, 11:52 AM

how fat is midfat ? I remember when midfat was 70mm that worked until the next year when skis got wider

**jmedslc** · 12-08-2022, 11:53 AM

These days I consider midfat to be 95-112.

**XXX-er** · 12-08-2022, 12:01 PM

The diff between 95 and 112 is huge and covers about 3 ski classes which is why almost everyone quotes numbers

**jmedslc** · 12-08-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by XXX-er

The diff between 95 and 112 is huge and covers about 3 ski classes which is why almost everyone quotes numbers

Indeed. And fun as hell could mean all sorts of things, with respect to camber, shape and directional or not etc.

“so much to unpack here” haha

**XXX-er** · 12-08-2022, 12:22 PM

Yes so much to unpack, " fun as hell " would be totally different than " fun as fuck " and are the skis Red ?

**Benneke10** · 12-08-2022, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by jmedslc

Yeah was gonna say my Ripstick 96 (1650g) aren’t exceedingly “soft” but they really do ski everything well and are my go to ski for general touring when I lock the heel down. They even do well in deeper powder despite being only 96. As for “fun as hell” the Ripstick is definitely a traditional shape, which may or may not fit the fun factor.

While I haven’t skied it yet, I expect the tour 104 is an excellent all around touring ski.

The Ripstick Tour 104 is completely different than any other ski Elan makes. Rec mount is like -6cm, lots of rocker tip and tail, relatively straight sidecut. Looks like a great ski.

**SnakeMagnet** · 12-08-2022, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Jongle

Atomic Bent 110? I’ve only skied the 120, but on paper the 110 is just a skinnier version.

Edit: overlooked the obvious and probably correct answer: Line Vision 108.

Seconding this, vision 108. And the bent 110 lacks the backbone of the 120, so unlike either ski sandwiching its width, it is an absolute noodle that is easily overpowered and considering how the other skis with that name perform that's a big disappointment. And 1800g is heavier too.

**Jvhowube** · 12-08-2022, 03:06 PM

Yah was gonna post the Vision 108. It's literally the only touring ski I've skied, but it certainly fits the bill.

**beeshbeesh** · 12-08-2022, 10:07 PM

Does anyone know what the weight of the 189 Vision 108 is?

**wantriot** · 12-08-2022, 10:14 PM

LINE Vision 108. Love this ski, size up if questions on length.

**Robik** · 12-08-2022, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by beeshbeesh

Does anyone know what the weight of the 189 Vision 108 is?

Mine was around 1680 grams for 189 length

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**Vermontfreeride** · 12-09-2022, 02:10 AM

Praxis BCs. Medium soft and playful with plenty of early rise in the tip… still not a noodle in icy conditions or at higher speeds…

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SB · 12-09-2022, 04:33 AM

TGR winning in this thread.

Carry on.

**MyNameIsAugustWest** · 12-09-2022, 06:43 AM

+1 on the Praxis BC rec.

They're my inbounds east coast powder day ski and tour really well. Easy to ski in NE tightish trees.

**beeshbeesh** · 12-09-2022, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Robik

Mine was around 1680 grams for 189 length

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Yeah, that goes. I'll check out some of the other recs, but that's hard to beat.

If anyone else has some other angles at a competitor to the vision 108. Throw 'em in the thread. Thanks!

**kootenayskier** · 12-09-2022, 04:04 PM

G3 SEEKr 100. 1.54kg in a 186. Soft, fun, agile, lightweight.

https://genuineguidegear.com/collect...ucts/seekr-100

**Robik** · 12-09-2022, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by beeshbeesh

Yeah, that goes. I'll check out some of the other recs, but that's hard to beat.

If anyone else has some other angles at a competitor to the vision 108. Throw 'em in the thread. Thanks!

It's hard to beat Line's weight to performance to price ratio, they are still around $360 on Corbetts in 189.

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**Jim S** · 01-11-2023, 08:58 AM

Praxis Woo 2.0 (in addition to the BC.)

**WaistDeepGroomers** · 01-11-2023, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by wantriot

LINE Vision 108. Love this ski, size up if questions on length.

Second this. Had the Vision 98, which was a total hoot in pow but sketch AF on firm snow so I dumped them for a pair of Navis'. CRAZY light, imagine the 108 is the same.