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  1. #51
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    September Snow ... ahhh yes, there is hope for the world
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    Shit.

    I was wondering what it would be like above 6000ft. I guess that there is my answer. Soooo jealous.

    Way to get'er done Eldo.
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    Nice, bring it on!

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    That is one hell of a season opener! Damn!!!
    Stoked for ya.




    Also a little surprised to see 50 some odd replies and no one has said a thing about being in the backcountry without avy gear. You should tell those kids that you can still die even though you are close to the road.

    No backpack to carry his board and safety gear, no shovel to save his friends, no beacon for being saved = not very smart.


    Might wanna let ‘em know about splitboards too…much more efficient than boot packing in deep snow.
    so many mountains...so little time

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    So sick!

    and this kid has an avalanche probe, i can see it:

  6. #56
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    Good TR mate. Hope it's a good omen for the coming season.

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    Thanks Eldo! Fantastical!! Thank goodness. It looks like winter will come once again.
    We're down to a mere few weeks in the Wasatch before snow is here to stay and order is restored to the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcrider
    ...Also a little surprised to see 50 some odd replies and no one has said a thing about being in the backcountry without avy gear...
    I guess that's because no one felt the need to play armchair quarterback.

    All these kids had full gear and wore it during the ascent and when making runs. I wouldn't have been up there with them had that not been the case.

    The shot that has you concerned was taken during the booter session. (The photos I posted where not in strict chronological order.) The slope they were hiking up for the inrun was barely 20 degrees, and was not in avalanche terrain.

    The offending photo:


    A wider angle view of the setting:


    I now reserve the right to critique your next TR from 2,000 miles away.
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    That looks awesome Eldo
    So gutted that I had to go back to the retirement home of Victoria and miss the snow,(the withdrawl's getting bad.)
    'I dare to dream and differ from the hollow lies'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldo
    I now reserve the right to critique your next TR from 2,000 miles away.
    Oh Snap!

    Nice TR!

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    SWEEEET!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldo
    I guess that's because no one felt the need to play armchair quarterback.
    Hi eldo,

    I wasn’t trying to be an armchair quarterback as much as I was just trying to keep kids from getting killed. Glad to hear the picture didn’t tell the whole story. I also new the slope angle was low and was just trying to reinforce good practices. Keep in mind you don’t have to be on steep slope to be exposed, i.e. be aware of what’s above and below you too.

    I apologize for being concerned.

    Ps. TR critique is always welcome in my TRs too.
    so many mountains...so little time

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    so you should probably go back soon, and take more pics... eh?

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    eldo

    thank you for making my september much more bearable. won't be until feburary/march until i leave the sands of iraq. churr!

    to the rest of the maggots, game on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by powderhoundpatch
    eldo

    thank you for making my september much more bearable. won't be until feburary/march until i leave the sands of iraq. churr!

    to the rest of the maggots, game on!
    Those aren't bad months to come back to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldo
    The slope they were hiking up for the inrun was barely 20 degrees, and was not in avalanche terrain.
    Let me first say that I am not a backcountry expert, but I did learn alot last year about the backcountry. From the classes that I took and the books I have read, the terrain you are reffering to is avalanche terrain. I remember books saying that slopes have been known to slide as small as 12 degrees. Although a slope like that would not bury you, it still is avalanche terrain. Not trying to get in an arguement, but just repeating what I have been taught.
    Last edited by Below Zero; 09-12-2005 at 03:28 PM.
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    I can't believe I just moved to vancouver...

    I miss September snow...

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    argh - i was in Kelowna getting rained on at 1200 m on the KVR - ARARGGGHHHHHH ---

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    Quote Originally Posted by Below Zero
    Let me first say that I am not a backcountry expert, but I did learn alot last year about the backcountry. From the classes that I took and the books I have read, the terrain you are reffering to is avalanche terrain. I remember books saying that slopes have been known to slide as small as 12 degrees. Although a slope like that would not bury you, it still is avalanche terrain. Not trying to get in an arguement, but just repeating what I have been taught.
    In the strictest sense of the word, anything beyond flat is avalanche terrain. Actually, that's not true either. Any place there's snow, that's not flat within a twenty mile radius of where you are, is avalanche terrain.



    For all practical intent and purposes, the terrain in the photo above is not avy terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphinx
    For all practical intent and purposes, the terrain in the photo above is not avy terrain.
    The expert at avoiding early season avalanches speaks

    Sweet fucking early season turns!
    Last edited by cj001f; 09-12-2005 at 11:49 PM.
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    Would you disagree, given any but the most extreme of instable snowpacks?

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    Wow, how much snow was there up there? I didn't realize the storm was that big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Below Zero
    Let me first say that I am not a backcountry expert, but I did learn alot last year about the backcountry. From the classes that I took and the books I have read, the terrain you are referring to is avalanche terrain. I remember books saying that slopes have been known to slide as small as 12 degrees.
    Then you also remember the conditions that lead to low angle slides, which are not present in this TR.

    As BCRider can attest, I definitely put safety first, but I’d be comfortable hitting that booter sans beacon (but wouldn’t). I’d more concerned about hitting rocks and wondering what this early snow means for stability later in the year.

    Thanks for the photos.
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    Well done. Boner City, literally!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Below Zero
    Let me first say that I am not a backcountry expert, but I did learn alot last year about the backcountry. From the classes that I took and the books I have read, the terrain you are reffering to is avalanche terrain. I remember books saying that slopes have been known to slide as small as 12 degrees. Although a slope like that would not bury you, it still is avalanche terrain. Not trying to get in an arguement, but just repeating what I have been taught.
    I'm gonna have to side with the Anus (aptly named, btw) on this one. 12 degrees? Maybe for a wet slide at 4 pm in June when it's 85 and raining on undermined snow. Hiking a 20 degree slope in any conditions would be considered the safest route save sitting on the couch watching porn. Oh, and I am not lookng for an argument either. Just discussing. Killer fucking TR, too!
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