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08-18-2022, 05:04 PM #201
yup way too many in the us eat way too much food, and especially way too much protein. So much protein that urine is becoming a more problematic waste stream
https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...-u-s/?amp=true
don’t feel bad about avocados- us production is mostly a few coastal counties in CA that don’t use Colorado river water for irrigation of said crop
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08-18-2022, 05:05 PM #202
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08-18-2022, 05:30 PM #203
There is a great case of this about 20 miles to the east. At turn of 20th century WA Laidlaw sold juniper scrubland in Deschutes County with the promise of an irrigation system he would build by damming Tumalo Creek. Using mostly federal funding from the Carey Act.
One problem - the reservoir area was porous volcanic rock and all of the impounded water just discharged into a deep aquifer below. D'oh.
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08-18-2022, 05:51 PM #204Half the people are fat as fuck and frankly, I can survive without strawberries in the winter.
And as much as I love strawberries you gotta know they are chock full of pesticides and other bad shit. I can live with what I am able to grow. I have berries for about 2 months in the summer. Just planted a Blueberry bush this spring, looking forward to what it can do.
In our hood (plated in 1913) we have some of the more senior water rights in the area. As long as the water in the valley holds out I am good. The County finally banned housing developments with every lot on its own well and no limits on pumping. Long overdue.
We could grow a lot more produce locally for about 4 Months (June-Sept.) but the land is too valuable to waste growing local veggiesI have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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08-18-2022, 05:53 PM #205
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08-18-2022, 06:07 PM #206
A quick scan of this 9 pager tells me 2 things:
1) the above was well done on at least two levels.
2) I’m proud of you guys. 9 pages and as far as my scanning eyes could see no one from the desert west has declared that we need to divert the Great Lakes yet, which is a nice improvement from past discussions on this topic.
Job well done to everyone, gold stars all around.I still call it The Jake.
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08-18-2022, 06:20 PM #207"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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08-18-2022, 06:26 PM #208Registered User
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08-18-2022, 06:34 PM #209
Just harvest the breath of the oxygen thieves in this thread
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08-18-2022, 07:17 PM #210Registered User
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maybe you missed the post where I said I use about 35000 gallons in the summer months for irrigation? And before you pitchfork me, yes I am cutting back on watering, ripping out grass, creating shade, and installing rain water storage.
edit - also the more I poop the better the lake will be in the coming years
https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-...reat-salt-lake
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08-18-2022, 09:19 PM #211
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08-18-2022, 09:52 PM #212Registered User
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08-18-2022, 10:07 PM #213
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08-19-2022, 06:02 AM #214
The dehumidifiers in our house could probably water a few small farms..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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08-19-2022, 06:09 AM #215
Here in Colorado, the Front Range diverts 600,000 acre feet of water from the Colorado River Basin. This is what I would target with water piped in from the East. Then you don't have to take it over the mountains.
This of course would come with the caveat that the lower basin states also take large cuts to their use and leave in the system to fill Mead/Powell. It would be "system restoration water" so to speak. As a side benefit, the streams and rivers inside of Colorado itself would be healthier and the state would benefit from greater recreation, less cuts to its Ag use, snowmaking, etc."We had nice 3 days in your autonomous mountain realm last weekend." - Tom from Austria (the Rax ski guy)
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08-19-2022, 06:11 AM #216man of ice
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There's mention of secondary water up there ^^, what's the deal with that, is there a second water pipe running to SLC homes? Is that a common thing if so? Never heard of that.
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08-19-2022, 06:35 AM #217User
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It’s a separate water pipe that is unmetered and untreated for irrigation. Typically gets turned on in April and off in October. Before the last two years no one really made a mention of how much you used, total free for all. In the last two years they have started it later and turned it off earlier and added limits to how much you can water (currently at two days a week, and 20 to 40 minutes per zone depending on sprinkler head type). Although It seems to be totally unenforced as my neighbor waters everyday.
It’s very common here although most of the water companies (typically the secondary water is not municipal, but owned privately or through a co-op) are getting grants to add meters to each house. New homes that get added will have meters from the start.
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08-19-2022, 06:40 AM #218
Water.....
Speaking of metering….in the US there are still millions of people living in apartments where there is only one water meter for the building and use is allocated based on sqft.
This should be made illegal by the CO River Basin States with a 3 to 5 time limit to correct before massive fines for building ownership.
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08-19-2022, 06:49 AM #219
mostly canals up north ogden way and south/jordan draper way but most of its pipes now
we have water rights from lcc creek and white pine res
dating from 1909 thru
https://www.southdespainditchcompany.org/
most is thru similiar "ditch/canal" companies
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08-19-2022, 06:54 AM #220
Has desalination for the west coast been proposed yet? Is there a legit reason not to do it or just NIMBYism?
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08-19-2022, 07:08 AM #221
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08-19-2022, 07:15 AM #222Registered User
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Its already explained in that instance, but similarly many areas will have access to unpotable water for irrigation during the spring-summer- usually from a local resevoir that typically has excess water available above and beyond that already designated for commercial irrigation. My grandmas old place in Ashland OR had it and thats how she watered her hobby farm. I believe she paid a flat seasonal rate and could use as much as she wanted (no meter). Additionally, lots of metro areas have recycled water lines, which are unpotable water that service fire hydrants and irrigation- if you ever see purple hydrants its RW. This was very common around the SF bay area when i was building stuff there a few years back. Finally, San Francisco and a few other major downtown cores have auxillary water main systems that act as a backup in case of the "main" water main system going down. It became policy after the 1906 earthquake that severed and knocked out waterlines and led to unchecked fires raging for days afterwards destroying everything still standing.
Sidetrack, but it is actually pronounce poe-table water, not pot-able water. The later is becoming more common because people think that it means the water is safe to put in a pot for cooking, etc.
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08-19-2022, 07:16 AM #223Registered User
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Yes.
Mostly just pointing out that Tahoe is one of the 20 largest freshwater lakes by volume in the world, is one of the cleanest (excepting vostok under the anarctic ice sheet), and is situated perfectly to gravity flow to a hundred million people. There doesnt exist a more perfect water source for human consumption. Just ignore the other details haha.
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08-19-2022, 07:26 AM #224
A big one was in the works. Got shot down in May.
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08-19-2022, 07:29 AM #225Registered User
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Maybe if we wreck the environment more we can keep moving people to places where they need to import massive amounts of water and run their AC year round.
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