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08-19-2022, 07:31 AM #226Registered User
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so outside of buena vista colroado is a well and a pump
all day long trucks line up and fill with water they drive the water two hours down to denver
nestle packages the water in plastic bottles and sells it as mountain spring water under one of there many labels
the bottles are put on trucks delivered and sold in stores all over the country
once used most of the bottles become trash some are recycled
this is the world we live in and we all allow it to happen
global warming is a lie the shortage of colorado river water is a lie
it's a lie because no one is doing anything about it and we are not concerned as a country or a the human race
we buy electric cars put in solar panels buy wind credits and bring our own bags to the grocery store we talk about how we care about the environment so that makes everything ok
well it doesn't it's bullshit
consumption is what is killing the environment and using up water
if you actually give a shit about the enviorment and care
we will ban all forms of private vehical use electric don't get a pass
everyone will be forced to only have 250 sq ft or less of in door living space
air conditioning will be banned
in door heat can be set at no more than 55 degrees
any outdoor water will be banned
cows will be banned
the states invovled in the colorado river basin were suppose to have a new agreement and water cutting measures completed a week ago
but since powel and mead are not really at all time lows these states have refused to provide any use cutting ideas
if anyone has ever ridden a bike around metro phoenix you should there are canals and canals of water all over that city flowing with massive amounts of water
other than the dried up salt river there is no reason why that much water should be flowing in a city at the bottom of a bowl in the middle of the desert
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08-19-2022, 07:38 AM #227
Fred. You’re drinking a lot of WEF koolaid there.
Can’t blame you. Too many people here.
And yet, at the same time they say conserve and have 1.2 children. They also say come on in migrants and have five plus kids.
Cognitive dissonance is the way.
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08-19-2022, 08:32 AM #228
If there is one thing I've learned from this thread, it's that we can all do better. I mean, in order to make it all about us, fine tune our finger pointing and totally mask our hypocrisies we are gonna have to sharpen our pencils.
OK, first is understanding the difference between ranchin', cowboyin' and rodeoin'. Seconding is to figure out water water rights your water comes from and what's its augmentation plan, if any is. Third, and for sure most important, is too make sure the footwear matches both the pants and the political ideology. Nobody like a fake. Bolo ties are for seasoned professionals, second generation only.
Sometimes you even need to keep a wardrobe change in the car, get tips from your local County Commissioner. If order to be pro-environment masked as an anti-development flyfisherman or vis versa you are gonna have but on the Wranglers and Wellingtons and fight with the ranching community to keep the water instream for their hay meadow so you can poke trout it the face. But then, after lunch, you'll need to put on you Mountain Hardware adventure pant and Altras for the PZ commission meeting. Why you ask, please the rancher wants to sell is water rights do a developer, possible even for "affordable housing". But even though the water taps are owned by the district and are available for sale you need to oppose this.
Its hard. Ask me how I know.
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08-19-2022, 09:09 AM #229Registered User
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So if you have rights to pump from a canal in Utah, this is considered secondary water here? And some (or a lot?) houses have pipes from these canals that their irrigation is tied to? Sorry for you guys having to talk slow to me. We don't have any secondary pipes at my house in Millcreek from 1948, is that rare?
There's canals here though, my place use to be a big orchard so they are probably left over from that. One canal runs 5 feet parallel to my backyard property line, and why we have a rat infestation when it starts running in May. Another canal is drained above ground across the street in the front - very very often it runs strongly as a small creek for blocks before it goes in a drain. I have to leap across it to go to my neighbors house, and I have long legs. It's completely ruined peoples sidewalks. Maybe this is very common here for all canals but it's usually buried so we don't see the waste? I guess it's filling the salt lake as Dan said, so I shouldn't care.
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08-19-2022, 09:14 AM #230
No pitchforks planned, sorry for the implication
Saw this today, I didn't realize things were this bad in the NE: https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/to...ht/ar-AA10Jd0U
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08-19-2022, 09:26 AM #231
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08-19-2022, 09:33 AM #232
I'm no wordmaster, but saying it's pronounced "poe-table" isn't right either, because that indicates that syllables 2/3 are pronounced "table", i.e. "tay-bull", when it is actually pronounced "POE-tuh-bull". Unless I'm wrong. In which case someone is likely to point that out with a profanity-laced angry invective.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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08-19-2022, 09:40 AM #233Registered User
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If you plug it into Google it will pronounce it for you….
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08-19-2022, 09:43 AM #234
It's all about the EMfassis on the correct syllables.
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08-19-2022, 09:44 AM #235Registered User
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Water.....
Large scale desal uses a shit ton of electricity. That’s the largest hindrance currently.
In the next 20 years with the expected progression of nuclear SMRs I’d think it will become a much more viable option.
I’m sure there are other downsides, but right now it’s the power input needed.
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08-19-2022, 09:48 AM #236Registered User
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Which is easier/cheaper - desal or reclaimed sewage/waste water? (Neither of which, it would seem, are up to the task of supplying ag water)
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08-19-2022, 09:48 AM #237"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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08-19-2022, 09:49 AM #238
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08-19-2022, 09:50 AM #239"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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08-19-2022, 09:54 AM #240
I prefer Quaffable.
About the CO River, etc.
Humans, especially politicians don't change shit till they have to.
This check has been in the mail for decades, nobody cared
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08-19-2022, 10:17 AM #241Registered User
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08-19-2022, 10:21 AM #242
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08-19-2022, 10:32 AM #243
In order to store more water don't you have to have more water to store? There are something like 18 dams in Kern County. I'm pretty sure none of them are filled to the brim. If we do get a wet year those reservoirs will get filled and then, if there's any excess water it can be pumped into the aquifer, which is unlikely to happen more than once in a blue moon, if ever. Making more storage doesn't make more water.
Beef uses 4 times the water per gram of protein and 5 times per calorie, compared to milk. You could have looked that up easily. https://waterfootprint.org/en/water-...imal-products/
That's the optimistic scenario, which depends on people being willing to accept government control and regulation on a massive scale. The more likely scenario is more like Mad Max.
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08-19-2022, 10:36 AM #244Registered User
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08-19-2022, 10:48 AM #245
In California, some of the research and growing practices for improving water quality and availability is “nature based” watershed restoration (eg forest and meadow restoration) and floodplain restoration.
There are several desal projects in planning or operations in SoCal. Energy use, NIMBY, and permitting are the biggest challenges. A lot are looking at Santa Catalina island as an example of success.
The federal gov is set to list several populations of the foothill yellow legged frog for protection under the federal endangered species act. Two reasons for known decline of those populations are managing hydrology in waterbodies for energy, water deliveries, and recreation in a manner that flushes individuals and eggs downstream, and for environmental releases that have been required to occur for management and protection of federally protected salmon and steelhead trout fisheries. As soon as the frog species is listed, things should get interesting.
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08-19-2022, 10:49 AM #246
There's an article somewhere on the internetz by a former hydrologist engineer that talked about the amount of energy that would be needed to pump water over the mtns to get the water into the Western CO river watershed. Seems like it would be quite expensive, even if they were to use a combo of solar, and wind and fossil fuels to power the pumps. IIRC, he said that if they had started on a project like that 50 years ago, it probably would have helped mitigate a lot of flooding damage over that time frame, and obviously the time value of money being what it is, would have been cheaper to have built out.
"We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch
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08-19-2022, 10:55 AM #247
Not sure of the energy requirements of each but desal results in mtns of salt that is very hard to store and at quantity is toxic to the environment (both terrestrial and aquatic).
Ignoring the chemicals aspect (household, industrial, pharmaceuticals) in wastewater, most of the biowaste after treatment can be used in agriculture in some manner.
Maybe if that salt could be used in some kind of battery or some such, it wouldn’t be such an issue in the desal calculation.
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08-19-2022, 10:57 AM #248
Let’s rob Peter to pay Paul
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08-19-2022, 10:59 AM #249
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08-19-2022, 11:01 AM #250
Desal now, resal as the North Pole ice cap, Antarctic ice sheet, and all the glaciers melt. Problem solved!
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