Mysterious death of co-pilot who fell or jumped out of plane before emergency landing

[SumJongGuy]

Back on topic... Every time I see the footage of the plane missing one wheel touching down gently and sliding in to the grass I circle back to .. there's no way the pilot was injured badly enough in that event to require a trip to the hospital. @Ted Striker, what are your thoughts here?

Then they disclose that the wheel and part of the fuselage was damaged in an aborted landing attempt in Raeford (a few miles outside of Raleigh). Some shit went down there.. shit that probably has all the answers to why the o pilot bailed.. wasn't in a stable frame of mind after whatever happened in Raeford..

[XXX-er]

Weird thread highjack.

Getting your shots in because Canada recently banned the scary looking guns?

hey i didnt start the "if only there was something we could do " thread in any case there is something to

encourage here, stealing planes in which to commit suicide

[Shredhead]

If only the dude had Aquasealed himself to the plane he wouldn't have fallen out.

Or he could have knocked up a Canadian waitress and his problems would magically disappear.

[Ted Striker]

Back on topic... Every time I see the footage of the plane missing one wheel touching down gently and sliding in to the grass I circle back to .. there's no way the pilot was injured badly enough in that event to require a trip to the hospital.

Once the wing touched the grass it probably got a little rough for 10-15 seconds. Possibly a few bumps or scrapes.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah I just came back here to link that article, it's worthwhile. I had not heard of Beebo until today. RIP.

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[SumJongGuy]

Thanks for the insights @Ted

I like to use the links to that DIY air show suicide story video when Crumb Snot tries to say the 911 terrorists wouldn't have been able to fly those jets well enough to hit the targets without more training..

[Ted Striker]

Probably so. Lotta respect for that guy.

Yeah, I respect it in a weird way. Dude was unstable and decided he didn’t want to live anymore. Instead of going the “traditional” route of donning tactical gear and blowing away a bunch of kindergartners or concertgoers, he did some cool ass shit and fulfilled a dream, raising conversations on mental health and brining to light gross security oversights on the parts of airlines and airports in the process.

Strange thing to double down on.

Here's a what I said at the time (edited for brevity and emphasis)

As for old Rich... I'm of two minds on that. On the one hand, I really do feel bad for people who are in pain, and can't see any other way out. And I'm bothered by the fact that we can't get our collective shit together to help both the mentally and physically ill.

But on the other hand ... Fuck that guy. Rich was a stupid self-absorbed asshole. KSEA is literally surrounded by houses, apartments, hotels, and offices. If it turned out that he wasn't able to control the thing, he would've taken a whole city block out with him (thousands of pounds of fuel). As it is, he flew over hundreds of people, risking their lives with his idiotic narcissism, while glibly rebuffing the help of a professional air traffic controller who went home that night being the last person to talk to him alive.

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[4matic]

The guy that jumped out landed in his families back yard and they heard the thud?

[Ted Striker]

I like to use the links to that DIY air show suicide story video when Crumb Snot tries to say the 911 terrorists wouldn't have been able to fly those jets well enough to hit the targets without more training..

I've routinely landed the 757 on 150' wide runways. The towers were over 200' wide.

[old goat]

The one time I was in the cockpit of an airplane it was easy enough, with my son briefly telling me what to do, to point it in the direction at the altitude I wanted it to fly at. Although maybe a single engine prop plane is a little less complicated that a large commercial airliner. (OTOH because my legs are so long I had the seat so low to make room for my knees that I couldn't see very well. I suppose that wouldn't be an issue in a 747.)

Nowadays can't you just say "Siri, fly me into the world trade center", and Siri does the rest?

[ötzi]

iceman had

Oh shit. But reading the Top Gun tangent that thing went off on it's no wonder it got forgotten.

[Ted Striker]

^^^ proof birds* are smarter than people


*because they aren't real.

[LongShortLong]

Blanco lirio, aka Juan Browne on Youtube, pilot and reporter, thinks it's most likely the copilot fell out by mistake while leaning out the back ramp, checking the wheel damage.

[billyk]

Blanco lirio, aka Juan Browne on Youtube, pilot and reporter, thinks it's most likely the copilot fell out by mistake while leaning out the back ramp, checking the wheel damage.

That’s the logical explanation, although the pilot did say he jumped. He used that word when he reported it on the radio when it happened. Maybe he just used the wrong word, or maybe not.

[jono]

That’s the logical explanation, although the pilot did say he jumped. He used that word when he reported it on the radio when it happened. Maybe he just used the wrong word, or maybe not.

I wonder if he thought the guy took the last chute and was pissed about it? His perspective in the moment might have changed by now. Pretty weird time to decide to end it all.

[Timberridge]

I've routinely landed the 757 on 150' wide runways. The towers were over 200' wide.

Yeah but have you ever landed one on the pitching deck of an aircraft carrier?

[AmmergauerTele]

Yeah but have you ever landed one on the pitching deck of an aircraft carrier?

Was lucky to do this a bunch of times in a F/A-18. Flying during the day around the boat is the most amazing thing in the world.....flying at night at the carrier is absolutely horrifying. Darkest of dark you can ever imagine. Lots of pitching deck in the Pacific and Indian, usually not so much in the Atlantic. Would land at night, say midnight....Usually wouldn't be able to fall asleep till 3-4 AM due to my nerves having to calm.

There is this saying with Naval Carrier Aviation - "We own the night." My buddy always said "We can give it back."

[Timberridge]

Was lucky to do this a bunch of times in a F/A-18. Flying during the day around the boat is the most amazing thing in the world.....flying at night at the carrier is absolutely horrifying. Darkest of dark you can ever imagine. Lots of pitching deck in the Pacific and Indian, usually not so much in the Atlantic. Would land at night, say midnight....Usually wouldn't be able to fall asleep till 3-4 AM due to my nerves having to calm.

There is this saying with Naval Carrier Aviation - "We own the night." My buddy always said "We can give it back."

Mad props to you on that. Crazy stuff.
My cousin flew F4 recon planes a couple hundred ft above the trees along the N Korean border and said he'd never ever want to land a plane on a carrier.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, that's hardcore. Props.

[hawkgt]

Was lucky to do this a bunch of times in a F/A-18. Flying during the day around the boat is the most amazing thing in the world.....flying at night at the carrier is absolutely horrifying. Darkest of dark you can ever imagine. Lots of pitching deck in the Pacific and Indian, usually not so much in the Atlantic. Would land at night, say midnight....Usually wouldn't be able to fall asleep till 3-4 AM due to my nerves having to calm.

There is this saying with Naval Carrier Aviation - "We own the night." My buddy always said "We can give it back."

been said before, this place amazes me on the different skill sets brought to life on our little corner of the web.

[Jong Lafitte]

Was lucky to do this a bunch of times in a F/A-18. Flying during the day around the boat is the most amazing thing in the world.....flying at night at the carrier is absolutely horrifying. Darkest of dark you can ever imagine. Lots of pitching deck in the Pacific and Indian, usually not so much in the Atlantic. Would land at night, say midnight....Usually wouldn't be able to fall asleep till 3-4 AM due to my nerves having to calm.

There is this saying with Naval Carrier Aviation - "We own the night." My buddy always said "We can give it back."

Does anyone get mad if you eject and scuttle the plane instead of attempting the insane task of landing a fucking jet on a moving football field? They’ll still come get you with the dinghy right? I hear pilot rescue crews are the best in the biz. Asking for a friend.


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[idahospud]

I've routinely landed the 757 on 150' wide runways. The towers were over 200' wide.

I've got students who'd argue that's a very small and unfair lateral distance, but they're not as committed.

Was lucky to do this a bunch of times in a F/A-18. Flying during the day around the boat is the most amazing thing in the world.....flying at night at the carrier is absolutely horrifying. Darkest of dark you can ever imagine. Lots of pitching deck in the Pacific and Indian, usually not so much in the Atlantic. Would land at night, say midnight....Usually wouldn't be able to fall asleep till 3-4 AM due to my nerves having to calm.

There is this saying with Naval Carrier Aviation - "We own the night." My buddy always said "We can give it back."

That's fucking insane. But because this is TGR and all, I've gotta ask: were you up front or were you the WSO? Either way, bigger balls than I'll ever grow so it's sorta immaterial.

[old goat]

I landed on a carrier deck on the flight simulator* in the DC Air and Space Museum. It wasn't that hard. I don't see what's so scary about it.

*Not a real flight simulator either. More like a video game for 7 year olds.

[idahospud]

I landed on a carrier deck on the flight simulator* in the DC Air and Space Museum. It wasn't that hard. I don't see what's so scary about it.

*Not a real flight simulator either. More like a video game for 7 year olds.

Aren't most of us 7 year olds at heart?

[AmmergauerTele]

Was up front, flew the single seat version F/A-18C then E.

Crazy thing about the carrier….,we’ve been doing it for years and it takes thousands of people all working together to make it work. Crushing atoms for power, making steam, navigation, food, bombs, fixing planes. Getting replenished from supply ship. By training hard, adhering to rules, etc…made the difficult look routine. We are still the only nation that can launch 75+ strike sorties a day off a ship, and continue to do it day in and day out. Lucky to be a part of….