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  1. #1
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    daily hiking backpack in hot climate: ventilated back or not?

    hi everyone. Have already 22, 32, 40l backpack.
    Now I'd need something smaller to be used during very hot weekends (30 celsius degree and above) for daily hiking, where i would carry the essentials (water, food, maybe towel and sandals) for me and daugther. I believe i would be fine between 11 and 15 liters as capacity. I have found a couple of models with suspended ventilated back, however most of models i found have their own proprietary system claim that allows enough ventilation even without being detached. And this is where I become skeptical.
    Here are the models I am pondering, only the Ferrino and the first Deuter have the suspended back. Do you have any experience with the Osprey system or similar, with hot climate? are they really effective in spite of embracing your body? thanks

    - Ferrino zephyr 17+3
    https://www.ferrino.it/en/shop-en/eq...ephyr-173.html
    great reviews, suspended back, it might be an overkill, too big, and also the most expensive in this list, also i dont think the elastic pocket on the side would host a 750ml vacuum bottle

    - Deuter AC lite 17
    https://www.deuter.com/int-en/shop/b...ack-ac-lite-17
    potentially too big and no hipbelt zip, and with that central opening i fear everything would fall out if you dont have the backpack horizontal

    -Osprey Talon 11 https://www.ospreyeurope.com/shop/eu...-talon-11-2021
    my concern here is the back, however i understand this pack is loved

    - salewa ultratrail 14 https://www.salewa.com/ultra-train-1...-00-0000001254
    here no pocket on the hipbelt and no suspended back

    - Deuter speed lite 13
    https://www.deuter.com/it-it/shop/za...-speed-lite-13
    too basic, no ventilated back, super light

    - Mammut lithium 15
    https://www.mammut.com/us/en/product...thium-speed-15
    all good, only concern the backing, like for the Osprey

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    For packs this small I don't find I get much back ventilation. I'd just focus on something light, durable, and with nice features that you'd use (like a thoughtful configuration of pockets or a particularly good strap system).

    I used to have an Osprey 35L which had the really nice suspension and still had a sweaty back. You have to wonder how much air is circulating back there anyways, i fit's not windy. I had a 50L osprey with the nice suspension and that worked pretty well for back ventilation, although I still had a sweaty back.

    It is what it is dude, you're gonna get sweaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CirqueScaler View Post
    For packs this small I don't find I get much back ventilation. I'd just focus on something light, durable, and with nice features that you'd use (like a thoughtful configuration of pockets or a particularly good strap system).
    This. If ventilation and staying cool is a priority, use a fanny pack.

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    I have several Osprey packs, from day to multiday size, with the ventilated back and I really like them.

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    I like the Osprey backpacks, very comfortable, and the ventilation does help. The negative about these packs is you just can’t fit a lot of stuff into the pack due to the non-square shape of the pack interior. This might not be an issue for you since you are just looking for a small day pack anyway.

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    The less stuff the better, right?

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    Mission Workshop Hauser or Speedwell - quality hipster/dentist option, made in USA (Hausers can be found on the secondary for good deals)
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    I have an Osprey Stratos 36 with the vented suspension and I think it works pretty well for keeping the back cooler on hot hikes. In heat, I used it for the R2R2R hike in the Grand Canyon and it was great.

    As others noted, though, for a smaller pack, not really sure the benefit is all that significant.

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    There is also the Miwok 12 from Gregory. https://www.gregorypacks.com/packs-b...acks-day-packs

    I just got the Inertia 24 which has a similar backpanel - I have zero frame of reference of how breathable it is compared to other brands, sorry, so this info may be worthless- but hiking in 80 degree weather was quite pleasant. Didn't even have back sweat which was kinda surprising, but it's made for running in it. No humidity at all though, maybe 5%. I got sick before I could test it on 90+ degree hikes.

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    Team no ventilation. It is nice in theory but it puts the center of mass further back, makes it more finicky to pack, and ultimately isn't that much cooler.

    If you have a 22 already though, i'm not certain how much value you could get out of something smaller that you couldn't get just by cinching down your current bag.

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    I love the ventilated style, but buying another pack below 24 or so seems dumb, just get a biggish Fanny pack. Nonetheless it seems like you already found the 2 smaller than 20 L ventilated packs.
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    Look at one of the packable travel packs? The smaller “real” packs seem aimed toward runners

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    I don't notice much difference between my pack with a suspended panel (Gregory Z30) and a ventilated panel (Osprey Talon 18). They both work fine. I still get a little schwetty, but tolerable.

    I'm planning to sell the Talon if you're interested. I find the Z30 works fine for everything I need it to do, even when it's not full.

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    I find the gap between a pack and my back works well, even on a small pack (Osprey Syncro 3). I mainly wear it biking, so there's at least a little breeze that way, but 3-digit temps in the desert have been fine, my back is about as sweaty as the rest of me by the end.

    Lighter packs can have smaller contact zones and if you aren't carrying enough weight to be bothered by the COM shifting an inch back it's not so different from a fanny pack.

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    vented vote here
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    I use an old Patagonia Nine Trails 15L that I got cheap on here and it’s honestly perfect for day trips in the summer in the mountains. It has a running vest style closure so you can run with it even pretty full without much bouncing. I can comfortably run/hike all day in mine packed with a puffy, a raincoat, water bottle, first aid kid, inreach, and snacks and it’s very light. May not be as applicable if you never plan to run with it but I like having the option to run flats and downhills on long hikes so I can cover more ground. Seems like overkill to me to just get another slightly smaller normal backpack

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    Just going to add that I think those trampoline style vented backs do a much better job in really dry climates. Not like you won't get sweaty, but I did some back to back desert backpacking trips with a frameless pack and an Osprey exos and difference in breathability was much more obvious than in more humid climates.

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    I really like my platypus Tokul 12 L. Size is good and it’s light. Functional and breathable vent is good without being too bulky. Simple and was under $60


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    Quote Originally Posted by lorcar View Post
    hi everyone. Have already 22, 32, 40l backpack.
    Now I'd need something smaller to be used during very hot weekends (30 celsius degree and above) for daily hiking, where i would carry the essentials (water, food, maybe towel and sandals) for me and daugther. I believe i would be fine between 11 and 15 liters as capacity. I have found a couple of models with suspended ventilated back, however most of models i found have their own proprietary system claim that allows enough ventilation even without being detached. And this is where I become skeptical.
    Here are the models I am pondering, only the Ferrino and the first Deuter have the suspended back. Do you have any experience with the Osprey system or similar, with hot climate? are they really effective in spite of embracing your body? thanks

    - Ferrino zephyr 17+3
    https://www.ferrino.it/en/shop-en/eq...ephyr-173.html
    great reviews, suspended back, it might be an overkill, too big, and also the most expensive in this list, also i dont think the elastic pocket on the side would host a 750ml vacuum bottle

    - Deuter AC lite 17
    https://www.deuter.com/int-en/shop/b...ack-ac-lite-17
    potentially too big and no hipbelt zip, and with that central opening i fear everything would fall out if you dont have the backpack horizontal

    -Osprey Talon 11 https://www.ospreyeurope.com/shop/eu...-talon-11-2021
    my concern here is the back, however i understand this pack is loved

    - salewa ultratrail 14 https://www.salewa.com/ultra-train-1...-00-0000001254
    here no pocket on the hipbelt and no suspended back

    - Deuter speed lite 13
    https://www.deuter.com/it-it/shop/za...-speed-lite-13
    too basic, no ventilated back, super light

    - Mammut lithium 15
    https://www.mammut.com/us/en/product...thium-speed-15
    all good, only concern the backing, like for the Osprey
    Out of those I'd go with either Deuter 17 or Ferrino, big maybe on a Talon. Personally, I'm mostly using Tasmanian Tiger Modular and Kings Camo(forgot how model is called tbh) ones. Pretty good for it's money, but ones on your list are pretty great too.

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