The Black Crows thread

[Samski360]

Atris is better on hardpack and in soft/powder snow. Can't speak to moguls because I suck. So Atris is better I guess.

I actually thought the QST was better than Atris on groomers, but Atris is better everywhere else. I could never get along with the QST in bumps and Atris feels very natural. In soft snow QST can handle slower speeds and Atris likes to go a little faster. I’d go with the best deal you can find…or just get the Atris and don’t look back.

[halliday]

I really like the Corvus right on the line. I feel like I have just enough ski in front and in the back. Same with the cambered version.

[kid-kapow]

info on the Draco - source:
The Black Crows crows continue to beef up their squadron, with new additions for the 2023-2024 season. Starting with the Draco Freebird, a beefy touring ski (110 mm at the waist), the only one in the range to be equipped with a double rocker. With its monochrome orange, it throws and will be available in three sizes (175.2, 181.7 and 189.2 cm). Featuring a poplar and paulownia core, in addition to fiberglass and carbon, it comes out at 3.8 kg per pair in 181.7 cm and €999.95 without bindings."

[SoVT Joey]

info on the Draco - source:
The Black Crows crows continue to beef up their squadron, with new additions for the 2023-2024 season. Starting with the Draco Freebird, a beefy touring ski (110 mm at the waist), the only one in the range to be equipped with a double rocker. With its monochrome orange, it throws and will be available in three sizes (175.2, 181.7 and 189.2 cm). Featuring a poplar and paulownia core, in addition to fiberglass and carbon, it comes out at 3.8 kg per pair in 181.7 cm and €999.95 without bindings."

well I’m confused. Sounds like they just added 200g per ski to the old ferox and put specialty cut outs in the tips. That freebird comes in 100g per ski more then the Atris. Very interesting… might be a killer 50/50 ski, and it probably handles heavy shitty snow a lot better. Intriguing to say the least.

[Qilimanjaro]

My Ferox 181 came in 1900-1920 per ski vs stated 1800. Soothski also gives Ferox numbers north of 1900. So Draco is either same or heavier. Probably better in chop and more 50/50

[Stuntmonkey]

Atris is better on hardpack and in soft/powder snow. Can't speak to moguls because I suck. So Atris is better I guess.

Perfect, you sound like just the guy I need to ski with in Fernie.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Should be ready tomorrow!

[kid-kapow]

is turdell still on the old Anima?


And man, Julien is giving the new Noctas the Anima treatment (sidecut and wider tips/tails) Nocta 185:
Tip
14.5

Waist
12.2

Tail
13.6

Radius
19m









It will def be interesting to get more info on how it skis.

[sk8rat6587]

I think that's the 2024 anima. At least that's what the topsheets looked like in some of the images floating out there.

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[Stuntmonkey]

Yeah looks like the new Anima.

[kid-kapow]

Guys, look past the graphics and look at the shape of the tails. Which is it more reminiscent of?



He has seemingly been on the same shape the last few years. Compare these:

[Stuntmonkey]

Ah. Old anima shape with new topsheet. Interesting. I wonder whats going on there.

[yiu-han]

Turdell as well

[yiu-han]

[SoVT Joey]

I mean they added that reverse chevron on the tip of the new nocta…. 4mm in the tip, 7mm in the waist, and 9mm in the tail bigger then the anima…. That’s an expensive mold to not change much.

Surprised they didn’t build a specialty skin for it…. Considering it’s the same weight as the new fucking Draco…. Boys must be into some good drugs in France right now….

[Karl_H]

Anyone have experience skiing the 2023 Orb on wild snow?

https://www.black-crows.com/us/en/p/...yellow-vg.html

Aside from potential issues with keeping skins clipped onto the tail, it looks like an appealing option for a downhill oriented spring touring ski. Black Crows markets the ski as a piste carver. Despite the marketing, the 2023 version of the Orb has pretty deep tip and tail rocker lines and Julian mentions that he designed it to feel similar to the Corvus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEPNxjYaEUg&t=93s

[SoVT Joey]

Anyone have experience skiing the 2023 Orb on wild snow?

https://www.black-crows.com/us/en/p/...yellow-vg.html

Aside from potential issues with keeping skins clipped onto the tail, it looks like an appealing option for a downhill oriented spring touring ski. Black Crows markets the ski as a piste carver. Despite the marketing, the 2023 version of the Orb has pretty deep tip and tail rocker lines and Julian mentions that he designed it to feel similar to the Corvus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEPNxjYaEUg&t=93s

orb freebird skis great for its weight according to two guys I ski with. I would just get a freebird instead of a regular orb.

[Shred Baron]

Does anyone know what size drill bit was recommended on Navis freebirds from maybe 2016-2018 (long shot I know), pondering doing a remount, but depends on if I need to buy a bit or not.


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[g_man80]

I’m reading those years as having wood, carbon/glass fiber. No Ti. My vote is 3.5mm. However, good case for a stepped bit perhaps?

[Samski360]

Does anyone know what size drill bit was recommended on Navis freebirds from maybe 2016-2018 (long shot I know), pondering doing a remount, but depends on if I need to buy a bit or not.


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Have you removed the binding? Most BCs have the drill bit size notated somewhere underfoot. But I only have experience with 2019 onward, so maybe that’s a (relatively) new thing?

[halliday]

BCs has had the bit size printed on the ski for a while. I have it on my '17 Corvus.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Anyone else play with the Corvus tune? I bought some 2022 models and have not been having fun. Got them to go through cut up crud and heavy crap, but they were super unpredictable and moody in everything - groomers, soft fluff, crud, everything. Finally had enough, put 1 degree on the base, and 2 on the sides and they're like a dream now (factory says 1.3 and 3). Fucked up tune from the factory? Or maybe (more likely) I just suck.

[SoVT Joey]

Anyone else play with the Corvus tune? I bought some 2022 models and have not been having fun. Got them to go through cut up crud and heavy crap, but they were super unpredictable and moody in everything - groomers, soft fluff, crud, everything. Finally had enough, put 1 degree on the base, and 2 on the sides and they're like a dream now (factory says 1.3 and 3). Fucked up tune from the factory? Or maybe (more likely) I just suck.

I ski a 1.5 base and 3 side.

[turnfarmer]

The Serpos I bought came with a big side edge burr, make sure yours don’t have that.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

I ski a 1.5 base and 3 side.

1/2 is pretty conservative but I wanted a point to work from, and now they're so well behaved maybe I don't want to change it.