If only there was something we could do...

[Ted Striker]

Why is it possible for other countries to fix their gun violence issues, mostly, but we act like it's impossible in the US? That's not necessarily for you specifically...but just a question to the TGR masses.

Because nobody with any real power wants to.

[summit]

I actually think Trump would suggest something like that. He is not really pro gun.

I do not think that even the #forevertrumpers would jump onboard surrendering their guns just because their orange god commanded it.

[Conundrum]

and no buy-in from the gun-owning public. .

About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me. About 250 posts ago, I mentioned that one of the largest roadblocks to change is the generalizations from both sides and that we need to organize like thinkers in the middle. I was chastised as a hypocrite because I own guns. Really felt like that poster was saying my opinion didn't matter because I'm a gun owner. I guess we could just rely on Trump for a solution. His admin did ban bumpstops... Just a thought.

[MultiVerse]

Trump suggesting it would probably make it happen.

I think Trump is more the embodiment of his supporters than he is the leader of his supporters. Trump for example supports vaccines but his supporters don't so after he was booed at a rally for saying people should get vaccinated he never mentioned it again. Consider the amount of time and effort Trump puts into telling his supporters how much he loves them. It's a feedback loop. In reality Trump has very little leeway when it comes to coloring outside the lines before his supporters abandon him.

[PNWbrit]

About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me.

Me too.

[Ted Striker]

I think Trump is more the embodiment of his supporters than he is the leader of his supporters. Trump for example supports vaccines but his supporters don't so after he was booed for saying people should get vaccinated he never mentioned it again. Or think about how much time and effort Trump puts into telling his supporters how much he loves them. It's a feedback loop. Trump has very little leeway when it comes to coloring outside the lines before his supporters abandon him.

This. Trump probably had a better chance than most, but didn't want to expend the political capital. Which is another way of saying he doesn't care.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Me too.

count me in too.

I think Trump is more the embodiment of his supporters than he is the leader of his supporters. Trump for example supports vaccines but his supporters don't so after he was booed at a rally for saying people should get vaccinated he never mentioned it again. Think about how much time and effort Trump puts into telling his supporters how much he loves them. It's a feedback loop. Trump has very little leeway when it comes to coloring outside the lines before his supporters abandon him.

do you think the polling on common sense gun control legislation is false? Because what you say can't be true if so...meaning if Trump said today "pass common sense gun control legislation" I do think it would move things in the Senate enough. I get what you're saying, him being the embodiment of his supporters, but to that end almost all of the Trump supporters I know are also vaccinated. I can think of one friend who is a huge gun nut, antivaxxer, and rabid Trumper...so I know what you're saying...those people exist...is it most of the GOP supporters and then is it also most of the folks in the GOP who want common sense gun control? Not everyone is like Leroy on the gun nut side of things. Most of the folks I know, myself included, who own guns mainly own them for hunting...that's not the portion of the population that's the problem, nor should they be singled out as such.

[summit]

I think Trump is more the embodiment of his supporters than he is the leader of his supporters. Trump for example supports vaccines but his supporters don't so after he was booed at a rally for saying people should get vaccinated he never mentioned it again. Think about how much time and effort Trump puts into telling his supporters how much he loves them. It's a feedback loop. Trump has very little leeway when it comes to coloring outside the lines before his supporters abandon him.

I agree also

[::: :::]

no buy-in from the gun-owning public. There are clear logistical challenges to implementing a similar program in the US. Never going to happen unless Trump himself suggests it.

the gun owning public is 1/3 of the US

[The AD]

I know you're not arguing this, but your response is akin to saying we basically don't want to do it, but recognize it would work. There needs to be public/political will...yes, Trump suggesting it would probably make it happen. 10x people shouldn't matter...we have 10x the resources too. 50x more guns is an problem...but isn't that the point? we're trying to solve said problem.

Agreed. We don't really know the Australia solution won't scale to the U.S.'s parameters. It's a bit of a cop out to say it won't work here.

[liv2ski]

Me too.

Yup, as is my case. I have guns for the eventual collapse of Murican society, but I would willing turn them in if it was National policy

[Woodsy]

I actually think Trump would suggest something like that. He is not really pro gun.

I do not think that even the #forevertrumpers would jump onboard surrendering their guns just because their orange god commanded it.

Feb 2017, one of his first fucking actions flies in the face of that assertion and is applicable to everything we are talking about.
Damn peoples memories are short

President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.

Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation.

Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president.

The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

Everytown For Gun Safety President John Feinblatt said he expected more gun control rollbacks from the Trump administration. In a statement to NBC News, he called the action "just the first item on the gun lobby’s wish list" and accused the National Rifle Association of "pushing more guns, for more people, in more places."

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, called out Republicans over the move.

"Republicans always say we don’t need new gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books. But the bill signed into law today undermines enforcement of existing laws that Congress passed to make sure the background check system had complete information," he said in an emailed statement.

[PNWbrit]

We have 10x more people

So we have 10 times as many school children, church goers, grocery buyers, movie watchers, concert attendees who shouldn't be getting shot.

[Dantheman]

About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me. About 250 posts ago, I mentioned that one of the largest roadblocks to change is the generalizations from both sides and that we need to organize like thinkers in the middle. I was chastised as a hypocrite because I own guns. Really felt like that poster was saying my opinion didn't matter because I'm a gun owner. I guess we could just rely on Trump for a solution. His admin did ban bumpstops... Just a thought.

I don't consider you a hypocrite because you own guns. You're a statistical outlier. Any gun confiscation is a complete non-starter for most of the gun-owning public.

[Bobby Stainless]

I was pointing out the stupidity of Bobby stupid, the definition of tgr tryhard dumbfuck

I enjoy the mental real estate I occupy in your brain. It's apparent that I'm in a good part of town, from the childish comments you make.

[mcphee]

Fuck the gun owning public. They’re the minority and the majority of the public wants to severely restrict firearm access. Again, FUCK THE GUN OWNING PUBLIC. Your hobby and cosplay and fever dreams of the government/bogeyman coming to get you does not override the rational fear that unarmed citizens feel on a daily basis.

[Buzzworthy]

Never going to happen unless Trump himself suggests it.

Cmon man! Bullshit. He is not that powerful. Y’all need to stop the thinking that he is.
The gun nuts are not going to listen to anyone. Nobody gets between them and their guns.

[ex-powderbroker]

"Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children," Zuniga's tweet said.

https://www.newsweek.com/husband-uva...attack-1710587

[Mazderati]

About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me. About 250 posts ago, I mentioned that one of the largest roadblocks to change is the generalizations from both sides and that we need to organize like thinkers in the middle. I was chastised as a hypocrite because I own guns. Really felt like that poster was saying my opinion didn't matter because I'm a gun owner. I guess we could just rely on Trump for a solution. His admin did ban bumpstops... Just a thought.

You keep trying to reframe the situation. It's not about your current hoard. It's not about a ban. It's about you and others like you actively supporting the gun lobby by buying new shit. And then you're like 'but I write letters so I'm doing my part.' Your money moves the needle way more than your letters.

...

[dunfree]

About 200 posts ago I posted that I support and like Australia's system. I'm a gun owner living in the US. There's more people like me. About 250 posts ago, I mentioned that one of the largest roadblocks to change is the generalizations from both sides and that we need to organize like thinkers in the middle. I was chastised as a hypocrite because I own guns. Really felt like that poster was saying my opinion didn't matter because I'm a gun owner. I guess we could just rely on Trump for a solution. His admin did ban bumpstops... Just a thought.

you aren’t wrong, but as long as Leroy and Bobby Stupid continue to speak wrongly in the name of all gun owners what we gonna do? Like I posted the gun nuts are ~10% or less of adults.

[skiJ]

with regard to law enforcement, I believe current training Greatly emphasized officer safety, and 'securing the scene' and when faced with weaponry, Waiting for reinforcements And superior firepower - no heroics.

while I do not agree with it, and my experience has been Bad, I understand how many of the people now being drawn to law enforcement would act in this way - Just following their training --

( a few years ago, in an unexpected conversation with a novice officer following an incident that had been at the verge of going Very Badly, my comment to the novice officer was,
' I hope you learned something '

The officer responded,
' I would do exactly the same thing again. '

escalate the conflict. use force. (2018)


local law enforcement did exactly what they were trained to do.

Yes, it is a very bad look --


tj

[summit]

with regard to law enforcement, I believe current training Greatly emphasized officer safety, and 'securing the scene' and when faced with weaponry, Waiting for reinforcements And superior firepower - no heroics

Not. For. Active. Shooters.

This has been mentioned repeatedly. The response for an active shooter is IMMEDIATELY ATTACK: run towards the sounds of gunfire and eliminate the threat. This change came in 1999 after Columbine where "secure the scene and wait" got a ton of kids hurt and killed while the killers kept killing.

[Dantheman]

Agreed. We don't really know the Australia solution won't scale to the U.S.'s parameters. It's a bit of a cop out to say it won't work here.

I'm not saying it won't work, but it's naive to deny that scale does not create serious challenges with implementation. Let's start with the low-hanging fruit first--21+ to purchase, licensing, registration, etc. Going straight to mass confiscation seems likely to generate serious blowback and go nowhere.

Cmon man! Bullshit. He is not that powerful. Y’all need to stop the thinking that he is.
The gun nuts are not going to listen to anyone. Nobody gets between them and their guns.

2019 bump stock ban suggests otherwise.

[Buster Highmen]

Because nobody with any real power wants to.

That's putting the heelpiece on the front of the ski.

The Gun Issue has been developed into yet another powerful wedge mechanism that drives not only division, but contributions from passionate minority factions.

So count it among abortion, race and religion as a way for manipulative pseudopoliticians to get power.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'm not saying it won't work, but it's naive to deny that scale does not create serious challenges with implementation. Let's start with the low-hanging fruit first--21+ to purchase, licensing, registration, etc. Going straight to mass confiscation seems likely to generate serious blowback and go nowhere.

Totally agree. I don't know if Australians are culturally similar to citizens of the US. Meaning, was there the same obsession with guns that a significant portion of the US population has?