If only there was something we could do...

**SumJongGuy** · 05-26-2022, 08:55 AM

I feel safer on must urban mass transit systems than I do in most Walmart parking lots..

**schuss** · 05-26-2022, 08:55 AM

Jesus, you guys make me ashamed to be American with all this "the problem is too big" whining. We landed on the moon. All that's needed is to actually want to make things better. When did people become so afraid of doing difficult things?

**summit** · 05-26-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Hence the reason I think all "assault weapons" (which needs more definition) should be Class 3. I don't like to tell people what they need or don't need. It's not really my business. However, if you want access to dangerous shit you need to go through some hoops. They aren't even hoops really. It's just the ATF making sure you aren't a felon or on a list.

Maybe you'd like to further expound on what Class 3 offers in terms of screening vs the current Form 4473 / NICS background check?

**Bobby Stainless** · 05-26-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by muted reborn

C'mon. Do you think all these vets came back as animals and can't be trained to simply protect a school? That they don't have kids themselves? That they never interacted with local kids in Afghanistan or wherever they served? That schools can't do an interview or background check on them beforehand?

It's really amazing. There are actual instances where it is working fine.

**The AD** · 05-26-2022, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Someone needs to tell these people they are fucking stupid.

OK, this I agree with.

Yeah, a guy patrolling a school carrying a rifle is totally normal. I can't believe anyone thinks this is where we should be headed as a country. Jesus...

**Bobby Stainless** · 05-26-2022, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Summit

Maybe you'd like to further expound on what Class 3 offers in terms of screening vs the current Form 4473 / NICS background check?

NICS are done in about 15 min and apparently the shooter passed one. Finger printing can tie you to any crime that you might've committed. NICS doesn't do that. The waiting period is a deterrent.

However, Im not naive enough to think that a person wouldn't buy a handgun and commit the same crime.

**Bobby Stainless** · 05-26-2022, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by The AD

OK, this I agree with.

Yeah, a guy patrolling a school carrying a rifle is totally normal. I can't believe anyone thinks this is where we should be headed as a country. Jesus...

It's where you are. Where you should be isn't reality.

I guess we will see if that school has any incidents.

**SumJongGuy** · 05-26-2022, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I hope some of you aren't wasting all your time engaging with nitwits.

Please take some time to write your senators to pass HR8 and demand that further gun control bills be passed.

We're working on flipping a NC Senate seat to blue

**Bobby Stainless** · 05-26-2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by mcphee

“I don’t care about what I’m actually supporting”

I'm not on board with the "Take the gunz" crowd. Ill support the things that I already do personally.

**mcphee** · 05-26-2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

It's where you are. Where you should be isn't reality.

I guess we will see if that school has any incidents.

The shooter encountered an armed resource officer before entering the building. Same with Parkland. SROs aren’t the deterrent you think they are.

**jackstraw** · 05-26-2022, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Someone needs to tell these people they are fucking stupid.

https://news.yahoo.com/manatee-schoo...194554275.html

What a great learning environment. The US is full of a bunch of mouth breathing morans.

**ex-powderbroker** · 05-26-2022, 09:05 AM

all that matters is one cherry picked example!

**summit** · 05-26-2022, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

NICS are done in about 15 min and apparently the shooter passed one. Finger printing can tie you to any crime that you might've committed. NICS doesn't do that. The waiting period is a deterrent.

However, Im not naive enough to think that a person wouldn't buy a handgun and commit the same crime.

Sure. And it doesn't seem a fingerprint check would have prevented the purchase here.

**muted reborn** · 05-26-2022, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

It's really amazing. There are actual instances where it is working fine.

I don't agree with everything you say/do with guns but I don't get all the shrill libtards screaming at you here.

Leroy gets everything he deserves here though, Leroy you are a condescending POS.

**ex-powderbroker** · 05-26-2022, 09:08 AM

feinstein put forward an over 21 bill for assault rifles on the 19th. why is there no republican cosponsor for common sense legislation?

**hatchgreenchile** · 05-26-2022, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by schuss

Jesus, you guys make me ashamed to be American with all this "the problem is too big" whining. We landed on the moon. All that's needed is to actually want to make things better. When did people become so afraid of doing difficult things?

The defeatism that exists on a range of issues is embarrassing.
Change is often slow, sometimes painfully so, but it will happen when people commit to achieving it.
As little of a difference as it might make, we're going to the local March for our Lives and encouraging our circle to do the same.
We can do better.

**Cono Este** · 05-26-2022, 09:08 AM

How’s this for fucked up.

In America, alot of Police dept’s are on programs with Glock and SW where they trade in their old weapons for new ones and the old ones are sold cheap to the public. Same with confiscated guns.

Think about that. Could we maybe stop with the practice of saving a few bucks to get the latest gear? A Glock will last longer than we will. Wasting money, flooding their own streets with their own service weapons. And I don’t think it’s a political party issue either.

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**paulster2626** · 05-26-2022, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by schuss

Jesus, you guys make me ashamed to be American with all this "the problem is too big" whining. We landed on the moon. All that's needed is to actually want to make things better. When did people become so afraid of doing difficult things?

Right around the time when political affiliation became more like cheering for your favourite football team. "If they lose, I win!"

**Bobby Stainless** · 05-26-2022, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by mcphee

The shooter encountered an armed resource officer before entering the building. Same with Parkland. SROs aren’t the deterrent you think they are.

Parkland cop actually ran away. Can you post the timeline on the most recent one? I've not heard about the SRO in this most recent shooting. I do know he was killed by a special Border Cop.

**Tamburello Rouge** · 05-26-2022, 09:11 AM

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Frustrated onlookers urged police officers to charge into the Texas elementary school where a gunman’s rampage killed 19 children and two teachers, witnesses said Wednesday, as investigators worked to track the massacre that lasted upwards of 40 minutes and ended when the 18-year-old shooter was killed by a Border Patrol team.

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-te...482483df6e4683

The cops stood around for FORTY MINUTES while the shooter was in the building. Great fucking police work. Also, fuck you guys who think having a police presence makes any difference.

**mcphee** · 05-26-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by muted reborn

I don't agree with everything you say/do with guns but I don't get all the shrill libtards screaming at you here.

Leroy gets everything he deserves here though, Leroy you are a condescending POS.

He’s acting as the figurehead for the “we can’t and won’t address the real problem here” crowd.

**Cono Este** · 05-26-2022, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Parkland cop actually ran away. Can you post the timeline on the most recent one? I've not heard about the SRO in this most recent shooting. I do know he was killed by a special Border Cop.

Dude, that’s where we have a problem. A handgun vs a Rifle is no contest. Throw in body armor and you have cops waiting outside for 45 minutes. Even you can admit that.

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**Ted Striker** · 05-26-2022, 09:17 AM

**mcphee** · 05-26-2022, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Parkland cop actually ran away. Can you post the timeline on the most recent one? I've not heard about the SRO in this most recent shooting. I do know he was killed by a special Border Cop.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61577777

**TBS** · 05-26-2022, 09:22 AM

Article from NYT regarding positions of GOP Senators on HR8
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-senators.html

The only thing that’s gonna make a difference is for Teh People to get off their asses and vote to either make these people change their positions or kick them out of office.

Or not, if you think things are just fine as they are…