View Poll Results: What should we do?

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  • Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"

    6 5.45%
  • Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen

    22 20.00%
  • Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions

    89 80.91%
  • No semiautomatic anythings...

    41 37.27%
  • Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health

    49 44.55%
  • Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)

    72 65.45%
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    Why aren't schools attacked in the rest of the world?
    China has had dozens of school attacks in the past decade
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China
    , but fewer deaths per incident because knives and hammers and cleavers are harder to kill with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    Bentley, Maybach, Lambo, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, Hennessey, Ferrari....



    Yes I have. What's your point? That's right, you have none.
    i actualy ment to say hyperbole, it worked for Trump

    There are already so many/ too many guns so I think the genie is already outa the bottle when it comes to controling guns

    and too many Americans feel like killing people
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    China has had dozens of school attacks in the past decade
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China
    , but fewer deaths per incident because knives and hammers and cleavers are harder to kill with.
    also way more people in china so the kill ratio is way lower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    Our media doesn't give a shit about poor brown and black children in other countries getting slaughtered, because there is no political action associated with such tragedy.
    Wait, what? Are you suggesting school shootings in America only get media coverage because it furthers a political agenda?

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    If only there was something we could do...

    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    When asked about the prospect of banning AR-15s, Scott said, “I think we have in our Constitution our Second Amendment rights, and we shouldn’t take away rights for law-abiding citizens.”
    Of course we shouldn’t take rights away from citizens…..well except for women. Forcing a teenage girl to give birth after being raped is AOK but god forbid you have to go through a universal background check to buy an arsenal.

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    "if only there were something we could do..."

    we can vote in an actual super majority
    nothing is happening until ^^^that occurs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    They are, but we hear about it less. Our media doesn't give a shit about poor brown and black children in other countries getting slaughtered, because there is no political action associated with such tragedy. Media kinda care when the biggest attack on a school in history happens, but only kinda.

    Everyone remembers Columbine.

    Few in the US remember Beslan.

    There does seem to be VASTLY more terrorism aimed at schools outside the US. Do we see more psychopathy aimed at schools in the US? I'm not sure.
    Scroll up to those numbers, though. What makes it seem like there's VASTLY more terrorism aimed at schools outside the US? Media coverage, possibly? Certainly there are other forms of terrorism, but there's something off about complaining about media not caring and also stating that your perception actually supports the media giving such things attention--possibly even overweighting that attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless View Post
    You make "assault weapons" Class 3. It accomplishes everything you want.
    Sounds good to me.
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Wait, what? Are you suggesting school shootings in America only get media coverage because it furthers a political agenda?
    Absolutely not.

    I'm suggesting that school violence in other countries is not high on the US media's priority because it is foreign (less relatable) and not related to American agendas (less attention garnering).

    Thank you for asking for clarification.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flounder View Post
    This 1000%. As a gun owner and friends with gun nut with a full arsenal I’m well aware of modifications available easily to convert an AR to full automatic. Posters claiming those avenues don’t exist or aren’t widespread are lying.
    couldn't a gun smith do it pretty easy at my kitchen table and aren't there lots of gunsmiths in America trained by the army ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Wait, what? Are you suggesting school shootings in America only get media coverage because it furthers a political agenda?
    Let's face it, it doesn't exactly hit as close to home with "it could've been my kid!" when it happens in Kenya or whatever. Also the chart on the previous page shows pretty well that this is by and large an American problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    For all the "OMG Johnny can't drink at 18 but he can shoot!"

    We could increase the right of voting age back from 18 to 21 in combination with making the right of firearm ownership age 21, plus throw in MJ legal at 21 too?

    Or maybe we would like to standardize all that, and drinking, at 19?
    As long long as they never take away the right for 50 year old men to fuck 18 year old 'woman'.

    Priorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    China has had dozens of school attacks in the past decade
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China
    , but fewer deaths per incident because knives and hammers and cleavers are harder to kill with.
    And we've had dozens this year.

    China also has 4x the population of the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless View Post
    You make "assault weapons" Class 3. It accomplishes everything you want.
    I knew you could say something that wasn't dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by funkendrenchman View Post
    The top Senate Republican put the blame clearly on the shooter, whom he described as a “deranged young man” and “maniac,” echoing the views of many Republicans that mental illness is the root cause of many of these recurring tragedies.
    FWIW, the biggest common denominator in mass shootings is hatred of women and a history of domestic violence. Most shooters kill a close female right before their shooting spree. Gun control aimed at individuals convicted of misdemeanor stalking, sexual assault, and domestic violence is probably one of the more effective ways to mitigate large-scale acts of violence.

    source: https://www.californialawreview.org/...-path-forward/

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    Also armed guards won't work. They ran away in Parkland, and this shooter was actively engaged by law enforcement and still went on their rampage. If your proposal is "more cops", it's already been relatively proven to be ineffective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    couldn't a gun smith do it pretty easy at my kitchen table and aren't there lots of gunsmiths in America trained by the army ?
    Converting a semi to an auto (illegally manufacturing and transferring a machine gun) and illegally possessing an auto carries extraordinary penalties, typically 5-10 years in prison, fines, and losing the right to ever own a gun for both the gunsmith and the owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    couldn't a gun smith do it pretty easy at my kitchen table and aren't there lots of gunsmiths in America trained by the army ?
    to do it at your kitchen table you’d need the full auto sear which, fir like the ar15 is a machine gun, is illegal to own unless you are properly licensed. Most of the things I’ve seen require modification in a light machine shop - the modification into full auto being illegal unless you are properly licensed. And it’s not easy to find a place to shoot one, unless you have an illegal suppressor. Sad funny watching the gun dorks who smoke weed illegally bragging about the power of background checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiJ View Post
    I said it above, and I will say it again, schools are attacked Because they are the easiest targets ( churches, too ) -
    the children have not done anything, they are just undefended targets.

    we can Start by making schools safer - restricted access. Not prison- or 'Pentagon'- secure, but I would not be opposed to single-entry.
    No. One of the things that makes America great is that pretty much everything is soft targets. Everything is cheaper and more efficient when you live in a secure state that is not a security state. We could all live behind walls and drive armored vehicles and have checkpoints to enter secure areas. All the valuable things we leave laying around like cars on the street, copper powerlines, ATMs, etc could all be locked away. Well, some things like powerlines we'd do without, but you could have a generator.

    Moving to a security state or police state is the wrong direction. There's a part of our society that wants to fear the rest of society. Fear is a plague we need to work against so everyone can have a good free life.

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    Since 1986, nobody is licensed to create a machine gun (new or by modification) unless you are making it for a government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Summit View Post
    That says that 309 deaths occurred due to mass shootings between 2005 and 2017 (out of ~34 million all cause deaths) and would like to correlate that to the end of the AWB?
    The parameters of what's considered a mass shoot have been fluid. The 430 that chart depicts is way on the low end. Current general consensus is 1350ish from 2009 to 2021.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    There are about 88,000 elementary schools in America. If the proposal is armed guards to protect a single-entry point, each school needs enough trained and armed guards to face a gunman in body armor. Maybe, four? So ~350,000 guards. More than the army that occupied Iraq. Whether a person is for or against the idea, that's just what it is.
    no, Multi- and I believe I was clear about this - we are not turning schools into prisons - and the physical facility can be modified to greatly limit access.

    Single entry, designed for security. the attractive entryways may have to go away.
    Would I trade school Security for an attractive entry ?
    Twenty years ago. And Tomorrow
    ( it can't be done by tomorrow. but it could be done by September )

    it's Not a one-size fits all situation -
    one of my nearby elementary schools has less than fifty students. Not fifty per annual class ( graduating classes often less than ten students )
    Some of you have fifty times ( 50x) that many students.

    Every community already has law enforcement -
    Maybe school Safety becomes a priority ( many communities have law enforcement with Special training... )
    I am not going to support staffing a school with fifty students with four guards. But If access is restricted, and a qualified Safety staff-er is on-site at least two hours daily, I believe the school may be/can be safer.

    my idea is restricted access ; it is Not armed guards.
    If you need law enforcement, call 911.


    thanks. tj

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    you aren't suposed to kill people either

    just sayin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Striker View Post
    The parameters of what's considered a mass shoot have been fluid. The 430 that chart depicts is way on the low end. Current general consensus is 1350ish from 2009 to 2021.
    I thot it was 1 shooter killing at least 4 people to b a mass shooting
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    LSL - what is your solution ?


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