View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
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No semiautomatic anythings...
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Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-31-2022, 08:54 AM #1526
Of course police should get the shooter neutralized immediately. Why is explaining what happened always assumed to be an apology for what happened? Is that why people keep imagining different versions of what happened? So that they can fit events into some preconceived narrative? The fact is the shooter had cover and a backpack full of ammunition. The situation required a tactical breach and local police weren't up to the task.
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05-31-2022, 09:14 AM #1527
will we ever really know... (?)
The Official report will take weeks, it may take months -
there will likely be efforts to keep it confidential.
now there is a claim the Seven followed the shooter into the school and were repelled through a doorway ;
it hardly sounds like a tactical response to me ( - or a dedicated response. )
enough has been made of the "rush the shooter" claim, it is reasonable to offer all shooters cannot be treated equally...
There are some things to be learned from Alvarde -
I support efforts to increase gun regulation - including a renewed assault weapons ban
( there is no good reason for an 18year old to be buy or be sold an assault rifle. )
I believe we need to be careful what we wish for, Because it is my understanding recent efforts for gun control have had the opposite effect, including repeatedly increasing the number of guns held by citizens by personal choice.
I wish Trudeau and Canada Good luck ;
I hope they can pass And implement their proposal --
school Safety remains my concern and my priority.
This thread is no longer about that.
I hope you have a good week...
Thank you. tj
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05-31-2022, 09:24 AM #1528
Initial reports the shooter was engaged by a school resource officer were quickly walked back. And of course new details will emerge. The story always, always changes. With an event like this it's not so much a conspiracy as it is different people with different perspectives, oftentimes believing themselves more heroic than they actually were, say things that don't align with what actually happened. It's the Rashomon effect.
The broad brush strokes however haven't changed much since a couple of days after the shooting and are corroborated by numerous independent eyewitnesses, including the fact multiple police entered the building within minutes of the shooter.
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05-31-2022, 09:37 AM #1529
The AR-15 has become a middle finger to libtards who don't think it has a place in a civil society.
"Authoritarian forces in this country view the AR-15 as a central organizing symbol."
"The Iraq/Afghan wars helped create cultural conditions for the zeal to militarize civil society. The gun industry exploited this shift, and what emerged was fetishization of the AR-15"
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/st...i0Fh6mUMqX6s5Q
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ew-ryan-busse/
U S A !!!!!
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05-31-2022, 09:41 AM #1530
Humans in general are relatively unreliable in behavior and consistency.
Given that a lot of damage happens in the first minutes and a response time of <5 minutes is relatively unrealistic, you need to limit the amount of damage an assailant can do per minute.
That m and limiting the types of guns people have access to as good luck dropping 9 people in under a minute (as referenced in the Ohio example)with a bolt action or similar. You also need waiting and training periods to provide more opportunities to identify risky individuals as a few minutes at a sales counter is not enough.
Mental health and other factors should also be addressed, but I challenge everyone to challenge those that blame mental health with: "ok, so what are you doing about that?".
In the most recent example mental health funding was cut by hundreds of millions prior and I guarantee it's not getting uncut.
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05-31-2022, 10:28 AM #1531?
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Not the right place. But yes the right place. People all over the world use and have scary guns. The guns are not going away. Come up with a workable solution to the crazy. Sadly. More good people with guns. It’s the only workable solutionOwn your fail. ~Jer~
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05-31-2022, 10:33 AM #1532
It's not a workable solution. It is an indisputable fact more guns means more gun accidents, more suicides, and more gun violence. Gun violence already costs America nearly $300 billion a year.
The Rashomon effect mentioned above is defined in a modern context as "the naming of an epistemological framework—or ways of thinking, knowing, and remembering—for understanding complex and ambiguous situations".
A good guy with a gun is a motivated reasoning mental framework. It leads to the logical fallacy if a good a guy with a gun didn't stop the shooter then that can only mean no good guys with a gun were present. It's why a parent stopping the shooter "rings true" even though that's not what happened.Last edited by MultiVerse; 05-31-2022 at 10:54 AM.
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05-31-2022, 10:36 AM #1533
I'm not offering it as an excuse for JUST these worthless public servants. I'm offering it up as a warning sign that LOTS of these cops are going to quit the force or at least refuse to engage against these weapons if they don't have decent protection over their vital organs. These engagements with AR15 armed thugs will be happening more and more. Any bets on how my prediction here plays out?
Ya, there will still be "hold my beer" bravery.. but there will also be more of the "NOPE!". I'm not equipped to survive being shot by that..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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05-31-2022, 10:56 AM #1534indentured servant
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what's orange and looks good on hippies?
fire
rails are for trains
If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for problems caused by the government I'd be a rich fat film maker in a baseball hat.
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05-31-2022, 11:13 AM #1536
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05-31-2022, 11:15 AM #1537
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05-31-2022, 11:16 AM #1538Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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05-31-2022, 11:22 AM #1539
so there we have it - no compromise, no solution --
What are Jessica and her handgun going to do against an 18year old who wants to die with an assault rifle, that seven officers could not, MTT (?)
today, my only hope is that the younger and future generations do not have the fascination with GUNS! that middle-aged and older americans seem to have -
Maybe one day, we will have killed enough of ourselves (off) that younger (and future) ... will say, enough --
( yeah (yes), I know, the murderer was 18 -
There will always be a few...
But I will hope our descendants will be smarter than we are...
... more guns -
That is Not going to solve anything.
skiJ
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05-31-2022, 11:24 AM #1540
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05-31-2022, 11:30 AM #1541
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05-31-2022, 11:30 AM #1542
Pictures show teachers & kids in other classrooms were evacuated by cops from multiple agencies. It doesn't appear to be a case of cops rushing in and only evacuating their own kids. Uvalde is only 75 miles from the border and border patrol is the nation's largest federal law enforcement agency, larger than the FBI, so the fact agents had kids in the school is not surprising and does not mean they only rescued their own kids.
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05-31-2022, 11:44 AM #1543
But are we? I'm pretty sure we're doing nothing.
The Brady bill passed because he was a Republican. The AWB was part of Clinton's broader crime bill, which had bipartisan support. The senate vote was almost unanimous. Today, if Schumer proposed the senate cafeteria served bagels, the republicans would vote party line against.
Most people who want action on this would be happy if we could do a tenth of what Canada is doing, but even that isn't going to happen.
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05-31-2022, 11:47 AM #1544
Bagels = jewish
Soros = jewish
Bagels = Soros
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05-31-2022, 11:54 AM #1545
Now I’m hungry
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05-31-2022, 11:56 AM #1546
Ewww, bagels are people
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05-31-2022, 12:14 PM #1547
But these days it's Soilent Blue and Soilent Red
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05-31-2022, 12:19 PM #1548
Time is a flat circle... just like this thread.
I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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05-31-2022, 12:24 PM #1549features a sintered base
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Yes, I wasn't seriously suggesting we need highly trained tactical anti-terrorism squads at every school. Was trying to point out the idiocy of such arguments (more good guys with guns, etc.).
Right, and I still don't think it can be said too many times that more guns=more gun violence. Regardless of how desperately some want to muddy those waters.[quote][//quote]
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05-31-2022, 12:56 PM #1550
Yes it is the average of the HIGHEST 3 consecutive years (not necessarily the last) but that does not count overtime pay. Its highest 3 consecutive BASE salary plus any education (Quinn Bill, etc)
Not sure why you linked two articles talking about cops being the highest paid town employees, of course thats true, many motivated cops basically work a full-time second job working details at like ~$100/hour. However, none of that counts towards retirement, as was your contention.
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