If only there was something we could do...

[AK47bp]

Is there an NRA bot in here working psyops to make this about hunters now?

Nobody gives a fuck about hunters and nobody wants to take their guns or regulate the tools for hunting.

Nice distraction though.




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[TahoeJ]

3.5 to 4% of the US hunts. Part of that cohort hunts for food.

https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/ne...shing-wildlife
https://cnr.ncsu.edu/news/2021/01/de...ation-funding/

That seems low... and then of course if you include fishing it's more like 35-40%.

But yeah, hunting really has nothing to do with this thread nor the weapons being discussed.

[schuss]

It doesn't matter, as most hunters I've met either use or would be fine with bolt action. You only really get one good shot on most game anyway.

[Flounder]

People want to hunt, people don't need to hunt. It's a hobby. When one adds up the cost, it's cheaper to buy protein

This just isn’t true. I’ve got several extended family who really need that freezer full of venison each fall. Would they starve without it, no but it would significantly impact their life. These are all people hunting locally so no trophy trips. Cost is time and they enjoy being in the woods so it’s not a burden. Of course they all hunt with bolt action rifles not AR-15s.

Biking last night with my one buddy that sleeps with a loaded AR next to his bed. He was going off on how he’s so far in the boonies that there’s no police and he needs to be ready to protect himself. Of course there is also zero crime where he lives. Way more crime in my neighbor hood including drug dealers, armed standoff and a stabbing on my 1 block long street in the past 5 years. I’ve got a revolver, shotgun, and a bolt action 22. None kept loaded by the bedside because I’m not a scared pussy.

[anotherVTskibum]

Who’s doing that?

I thought someone had suggested stricter gun regulations across the board, not just for the types of guns usually involved in killings (ie semiautomatics). I may well be misremembering or confusing with something I read elsewhere in an online debate on the subject.

As I said more than once, though, I still think that you can avoid damn near all issues around hunting access by targeting semiautomatics. People do hunt with them, but as has already been said, it's hard to come up with a legit usability argument against bolt, lever, or pump action for hunting firearms.

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[SumJongGuy]

Hunting's kinda like skiers on a ski forum. There's probably five times the number of rednecks who say they hunt versus folks who actually have or recently had a hunting license and actually hunted legally. Bunch of posers... Sure, most still like to think they'll be out there again soon, but reality and life makes that unlikely..

[riser4]

This just isn’t true. I’ve got several extended family who really need that freezer full of venison each fall. Would they starve without it, no but it would significantly impact their life. These are all people hunting locally so no trophy trips. Cost is time and they enjoy being in the woods so it’s not a burden. Of course they all hunt with bolt action rifles not AR-15s.

Biking last night with my one buddy that sleeps with a loaded AR next to his bed. He was going off on how he’s so far in the boonies that there’s no police and he needs to be ready to protect himself. Of course there is also zero crime where he lives. Way more crime in my neighbor hood including drug dealers, armed standoff and a stabbing on my 1 block long street in the past 5 years. I’ve got a revolver, shotgun, and a bolt action 22. None kept loaded by the bedside because I’m not a scared pussy.

A dog and some motion lights in the yard would be a lot more useful to buddy. And if that doesn't deal with the issue, he's got bigger problems that he isn't disclosing. Maybe he pissed off a Mexican cartel? In which case he'd better not sleep, they are just going to sneak in and probably shoot him with his own gun, for funsies.

[schuss]

A dog and some motion lights in the yard would be a lot more useful to buddy. And if that doesn't deal with the issue, he's got bigger problems that he isn't disclosing. Maybe he pissed off a Mexican cartel? In which case he'd better not sleep, they are just going to sneak in and probably shoot him with his own gun, for funsies.

That is not a person that should live in the boonies. No one is coming to get him. For 99% of people - no one outside your circle gives a shit about you one way or another.
Plenty of times I don't even remember to lock my door or I leave the garage open.
Motion lights are terrible too, as there's a lot of creatures moving about in the night, many across your yard. Unless you enjoy constantly being woken up by squirrel, owl, coyote or deer just dubbing around.

[Flounder]

he's got bigger problems that he isn't disclosing.

I’ve got a good idea of his bigger problems. Fits the usual profile. His life peaked in high school, works too much at a shitty job, not as successful as his old man, no female companionship for years, and so on. Like a lot of the pro AR crowd he’s obsessed with the military, watching war videos all the time but too much of a pussy to join the army. He larps through his many acres of land pretending to be a soldier while snowshoeing or hiking with an AR. He thinks he’s cool, the rest our old high school crew just feel sorry for him.

[Bobby Stainless]

Like a lot of the pro AR crowd he’s obsessed with the military, watching war videos all the time but too much of a pussy to join the army. He larps through his many acres of land pretending to be a soldier while snowshoeing or hiking with an AR. He thinks he’s cool, the rest our old high school crew just feel sorry for him.

Pffff war videos.

I prefer to hire retired Tier 1 operators for my larping.

[riser4]

That is not a person that should live in the boonies. No one is coming to get him. For 99% of people - no one outside your circle gives a shit about you one way or another.
Plenty of times I don't even remember to lock my door or I leave the garage open.
Motion lights are terrible too, as there's a lot of creatures moving about in the night, many across your yard. Unless you enjoy constantly being woken up by squirrel, owl, coyote or deer just dubbing around.

I didn't say they were a good, or bad, idea. I was merely stating that they would be more useful than a loaded AR-15 by the bedside. I stand by that.

[riser4]

Pffff war videos.

I prefer to hire retired Tier 1 operators for my larping.

Heh.

[sirbumpsalot]

[riser4]

If guns were harder to obtain, messengers would be safer and we'd have to find a new expression for "don't hassle me for news you don't like, I'm just reporting it."

[dunfree]

That seems low... and then of course if you include fishing it's more like 35-40%.

But yeah, hunting really has nothing to do with this thread nor the weapons being discussed.

Most state agencies that regulate hunting & fishing provide license sales data online, so you could see that 268k people bought a California hunting license last year, <1% of the state. Texas sold like 1 million licenses so ~4%. Minnesota, about 7% of the state. Some smaller states get higher numbers. Fishings harder to quantify but 40% is high.

[paulster2626]

In my world, that's insane. Participation in hunting is already dropping, suggesting that kids can't learn gun safety and marksmanship when young and have their own hunting firearms as teenagers would be a huge cultural shock, plus I doubt it would move the needle on gun deaths.

If my kids don't get into shooting as a recreational activity or sport, that's 100% fine with me (and would avoid potential disagreement with my ex-wife on the matter). However, I hope she'll still be amenable to them learning basic gun handling (especially the treat every gun as loaded and watch where the business end is pointing bits), because one of the best ways to mitigate the risk of improperly stored firearms is to teach the people you can to respect what even a bolt action .22 can do downrange.

And please don't think that I oppose holding people responsible for what happens with their firearms. I'm also 100% behind civil responsibility for what happens when you intentionally or negligently provide someone who either is legally prohibited or who you know is dangerous with the means to make headlines, and I'd also support codifying that, possibly with criminal penalties, on a national basis. That would include private-party sales to prohibited individuals, even if a background check isn't required (ie don't require a federal action that creates a de facto registry, but make the seller responsible for somehow ensuring that the buyer is legit).

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I don't think you realize how insane your current gun polices seem to every country in the world (that doesn't blast AK rounds in the sky to celebrate arranged marriages).

Nobody would/could stop you from teaching your kids about shooting, gun safety, and how to hunt. The USA needs a major correction on gun culture, not a baby step towards sanity every time someone shoots up a school. I mean, y'all had your chance to have 5 guns for every man woman and child, and you messed it up. Sorry.

[riser4]

I don't think you realize how insane your current gun polices seem to every country in the world (that doesn't blast AK rounds in the sky to celebrate arranged marriages).

Nobody would/could stop you from teaching your kids about shooting, gun safety, and how to hunt. The USA needs a major correction on gun culture, not a baby step towards sanity every time someone shoots up a school. I mean, y'all had your chance to have 5 guns for every man woman and child, and you messed it up. Sorry.

You're not wrong, Walter.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I'm all for sollutions that don't involve a national registry de facto or otherwise.

Why no registry?


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[riser4]

Why no registry?


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Cause, the gubmint, man. Hitler used the registry when he conquered Poland.

[Stuntmonkey]

Yeah it's not like the gubmint doesn't know about literally every other facet of your lives.

Also, what the fuck is this hunting bullshit? Nobody gives a fuck!

[ex-powderbroker]

Looks like a great source you got there. Shockingly, it is not accurate, it looks like firearm related homicides for white people were 7.5 per 100k in 2019 per the cdc, not from a dumbass chart from mostly suspended users on reddit and twitter.

It's also using TOTAL DEATHS including suicides in the other countries and only homicides in the usa. If we added accidental and suicides to the USA numbers the USA would be off the charts in every category. Finland, for instance, for gun homicide averages 0.2% per 100k.

But even if it was true, you could look in the face of mass shootings in schools and 30k suicides a year and say there is no problem, because the rates are in line with other countries for white people? Your racism isn't just showing, you are flaunting it.

You should be fucking ashamed passing off these lies. They might hold up under the light of torches at your Klan rally, but not under the light of day.

Also, what the fuck is this hunting bullshit? Nobody gives a fuck!

Hunting, fishing, look, a drag queen and some kids!

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Pffff war videos.

I prefer to hire retired Tier 1 operators for my larping.

We know, you’ve bragged about it more than once


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[MagnificentUnicorn]

Why don’t you just come out of the closet and declare your racist tendencies


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[Flounder]

I prefer to hire retired Tier 1 operators for my larping.

Real retired Tier 1 operators don’t whore themselves out to a bunch of fat larping rednecks. You’re getting some tool like Dan Bilzerian. Asshat Navy vet with zero combat experience, 2 time flunky in Seal training but he lives the life style and lets people think he was an actual navy seal.



But hey, I’m sure they’ll have some awesome stories to keep you hard all afternoon.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Real retired Tier 1 operators don’t whore themselves out to a bunch of fat larping rednecks. You’re getting some tool like Dan Bilzerian. Asshat Navy vet with zero combat experience, 2 time flunky in Seal training but he lives the life style and lets people think he was an actual navy seal.



But hey, I’m sure they’ll have some awesome stories to keep you hard all afternoon.

Look, Dan has the beard, black polo and khaki cargo pants, that’s legit.

Bobby, do you consult your wife before these larp sessions? “Honey, what do you think, grey or khaki cargoes with the navy polo?”


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