View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
16 10.26% -
Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
30 19.23% -
Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
70 44.87% -
Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-25-2022, 07:24 AM #151
implement registration database at the same time as a buyback program and push penalties that grow over time for unlicensed guns to give people time to adjust and motivation to get rid of them. licensing and registration fees would fund the buyback. registration to be enforced with validation by cops to ensure they are also being stored properly in a locked safe like rcmp does. it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle but the guns have to come off the street but we should know where they are, they should be more difficult to acquire and over time there will be less gun crime (we have so many guns now because of the gqp and nra, it will take time). people who possess illegal guns or participate in straw man purchases need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, this has unfortunately been neglected.
something like that.
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05-25-2022, 07:25 AM #152
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05-25-2022, 07:26 AM #153
We're not quoting leroi today
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05-25-2022, 07:29 AM #154
You push for better regulation and control if you want school shootings and mass shootings to stop. You shut down bullshit like people illicitly selling auto sears/etc. when you see them. I doubt many will do that as they see themselves as "rightful owners", but it's what I think people should do. I don't think anyone is specifically wrong for owning an AR15 or its ilk, we just all need to make it clear to political leadership on both sides that if nothing is done, they get voted out, then follow through. Like I originally said though, I expect near zero of that to happen because the culture of fear and division is currently making bacon for the GOP.
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05-25-2022, 07:30 AM #155
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05-25-2022, 07:32 AM #156
There are no reasons....
Actually there are lots and lots of reasons. You might disagree with them, but to say there just aren't reasons is idiotic.
This country would be a lot better off if people stopped doing this, saying that people who disagree with them have just NO grpound to stand on.
There are reasons for gun control. I disagree with them but I can still see value in the reasons.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 07:33 AM #157
Yes we can. I wonder how many school counselors and advisors there are at the shooters HS? What active mental health programs did they have for kids like him? We're too stupid and greedy to spend money on kids. So lock we need to up your toys with laws or sacrifice kids for 2A. Let SCOTUS call it the "Well Regulated" part of 2A.
Seeker of Truth. Dispenser of Wisdom. Protector of the Weak. Avenger of Evil.
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05-25-2022, 07:33 AM #158
ten million assault rifles, Bobby - ?
why ?
reactively,
make-sure it is unloaded, lay it in your driveway and destroy it with a sledgehammer.
it would probably be safer to cut it into pieces with a hacksaw...
( I was going to say turn it in to law enforcement for destruction, But - )
per Steve Kerr, background checks -
the gun lobby will vigorously defend (anyone's) 'right to bear arms' , but the Constitution is not the Bill of Rights.
I am saddened by the individuals that join a conversation like this to quickly howl about 'taking guns away' -
A good start would be just making it more difficult for some to acquire firearms in the future...
Twenty more killed.
tj
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05-25-2022, 07:34 AM #159__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 07:35 AM #160
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05-25-2022, 07:36 AM #161
I'm going to make myself a security blanket made out of semi auto shotguns and rifles sewn together and sleep like a babe under it every night.
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"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 07:37 AM #162Registered User
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Again, unless the GOP today helps institute universal background checks (talk about low hanging fruit), pay for security upgrades across the country, and expands mental health care access to all we can all be assured that all of this other talk about big Pharma, arming teachers, Americas mental health issues, etc is just chaff. A distraction to get through the moment.
It’s pretty simple, most Americans do not want to play Russian roulette with a mass school shooting at their kids school.
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05-25-2022, 07:40 AM #163
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05-25-2022, 07:43 AM #164
They say “personal responsibility” when they really mean “not my problem”
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05-25-2022, 07:54 AM #165
Ok, then what are the reasons? I set a pretty low bar - show me reasons that have a basis in reality via data of some sort. Not sentiment, not feelings, but something that could weigh on the other end of the scale from dead kids and citizens. It would be inappropriate to say that my feelings or anyone elses are worth more than a person's whole life. That's what we're talking about here. Not a battle of rhetoric. Not a "who's viewpoint is best?". What is worth killing people for, and if it's not worth killing for, how do we fix it?
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05-25-2022, 07:55 AM #166
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05-25-2022, 07:56 AM #167
God damn it. If you want to reply to Leroy go ahead and argue with a brain dead narcissist but don't quote him. Some of us have him on ignore because it's the same dumb ass schtick he's been strumming for years.
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05-25-2022, 07:57 AM #168Registered User
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No armed teachers at the high school I teach at but we do have a school resource officer/cop and locked doors with key cards access. We also have about a dozen staff that offer kids free, regular mental health care and therapy.
We often to fight every year to keep the school cop and counselors/therapists in the budget. Tax payers see things like this in the school budget and immediately think its a waste of money and resources. Meanwhile, teenagers these days are more anxious, medicated, confused and easily influenced as ever. Coming out of COVID lock down has been hell on kids' mental health.
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05-25-2022, 07:59 AM #169
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05-25-2022, 08:01 AM #170__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 08:02 AM #171__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 08:02 AM #172
We're caught in a vicious cycle of "I want to have an arsenal capable of committing mass mayhem because that other guy/gal (or the gubbermint) has an arsenal and I don't trust "them". Leaving the decision to folks at the individual level will always result in "sure, just in case, even if I don't really need it now" mentality. We need our representatives to decide together FOR SOCIETY what's best for civilized society instead of what's most likely to stuff their campaign coffers and get them re elected. This holds true for the big pharm and big energy issues as well..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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05-25-2022, 08:02 AM #173
FIFY
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05-25-2022, 08:04 AM #174
Actually I think its more about, I do trust my fellow citizens to own guns and don't feel the need to be controlling of other people.
A simple risk to reward assessment shows that the death tolls when government oppresses an unarmed population soar into the millions. Sure I don't need it right now, thats the whole point. As long as we have more than half the world's firearms there won't be a cambodia here.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-25-2022, 08:04 AM #175
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