View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
70 44.87% -
Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-25-2022, 06:48 PM #401Hucked to flat once
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You seem to find something to nitpick every time you quote me regardless of the topic. I don't need to air my laundry with an account of every dollar I spend on hunting equipment nor the times I vote or contact my legislators.
A gun owner writes that he supports tighter gun regulations and that he doesn't support, want, or purchase "scary black guns" and would comply and begrudgingly turn in all of his firearms (none being semi-auto or assaultish because that seems to be the in vogue terminology) if that was the law.
So f'off.
I guess you could look at it that the keep your guns type are probably going to win this fight for a long time. And unfortunately, it will be awhile until things shift legally to prevent tragedies like yesterday. And I'm not cheering about it-it really is sad and is tearing families and society apart at times. Was looking for a more sensible conversation but I know better in the padded room. I should have just quoted every other mass shooting thread and my thoughts than take the trouble. Good luck. I hope you figure out a way to fix this that all sides will agree on.
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05-25-2022, 06:51 PM #402Registered User
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05-25-2022, 06:57 PM #403
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05-25-2022, 07:06 PM #404
Federal law says any gun purchased at a licensed dealer must undergo a background check....which is where the TX School shooter purchased his gun so most likely he was checked per defined law. I think 70% of gun purchases are thru a dealer.
Instead of throwing around vague "universal background checks" terms, I'd define the checks you and this "majority" wants.
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05-25-2022, 07:08 PM #405
Leroy is a narcissistic idiot
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05-25-2022, 07:12 PM #407Registered User
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I didn't mean to paint all gun owners as one way, I should have been more specific. I was calling out the ones that are too selfish to even remotely thinking of giving them up or consider restrictions because they are fun to shoot, collect, whatever. I know they're fun to shoot, we all know it. Not because I have a small penis, target shooting is fun. My issue is many hide behind 'my rights' and 'protect my family' when really it's just about 'guns are fun' and they want to keep having fun. And on top of them being fun, they are portrayed as sexy macho collectors items in America. I also see this as a problem.
What I would like to see is a massive almost-impossible cultural shift where glorifying guns are for insecure man-child losers. And real men only use guns for hunting and protection, and that no one needs a gun that can massacre your neighbors and any cop that comes to stop you. Like Canada and most of the world I guess.
I wasn't expressing my frustration on all gun owners or a 'whole bunch of people in the middle', just the selfish liars who aren't honest with themselves who want the cool big guns just to have cool big guns. Which is what frustrates me. Keep on posting here please, I like your opinions.
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05-25-2022, 07:13 PM #408Hucked to flat once
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Taken from Summer's post. I support all of this-doubt it would ever fly here but I would certainly vote for those who support a system like this. And I did check the categories-if I turned in some revolvers, I would be in the B and C categories if you're wondering Maz.
Step one: Obtaining a gun licence
must be over the age of 18 for a firearm licence. But can apply for firearm minor permit if under 18 years.
(1) identify your 'genuine reason' for wanting a gun licence: sport/target shooting, recreational hunting, primary production, pest control, business or employment, rural occupation, animal welfare, firearm collector.
(2) Depending on your genuine reason/s you will need to provide the required proof for that genuine reasons i.e.: proof of club membership, proof of employment, proof below to collector society, proof from accountant or solicitor that you are primary producer or employer that you are a security guard etc.
(3) obtain an application form for a firearm licence
(4) Complete a multi-day firearm safety course. Pass a written test and practical assessment which will provide certificate that you have passed and completed course.
(5) Compile your firearm application form:
Identify your genuine reasons for a firearm
Identify Category of firearm you require: A, B, C, D and/or H. For D (most lethal firearms. For category D (Self-loading rifles and shotguns), applicant must show "special reason" as to why the applicant needs such a firearm and why a less lethal firearm would not fit the purpose.
attach safety training completion certificate
declaration that you meet safe storage requirements for the firearm category you are seeking. Firearm storage is generally not inspected but random checks are allowed.
4) Firearms Registry processes your application and conduct background checks: includes - criminal record and any court ordered mental health orders and intelligence checks.
If you have a record for a 'prescribed offence' then you cannot obtain a gun licence including:
sexual offences
Violent offences
Offences related to prohibited drugs
Robbery
Terrorism-related offences
Offences relating to organised crime and criminal groups
Firearms or weapons offences
Fraud, dishonesty and stealing offences5) Wait at least 28 days for checks to be conducted and application processed.
6) If your application is approved you will be sent a letter. You then go to what is known as the Road Traffic Authority wit the letter and your proof of ID. RTA will take your photo, you pay a fee and RTA will issue and firearm licence.
Note: for a first time applicant foe a handgun licence the applicant may only apply for what is known as a probationary pistol licence. a PPL is issued for six months and the licence holder may only use the handgun at a gun club or under supervision by a person who has a full handgun licence.
Step two: To obtain a gun
Lodge a permit to acquire (PTA) application. A PTA must be lodged for each firearm
The firearm type must correspond with the firearm licence category you have
On the PTA form the applicant must:
to identify address where firearms will be stored.
Type of firearm category they are seeking
declare can comply with safekeeping requirements and have a good reason for acquiring the firearm. The good reason must relate to the 'genuine reason'.
For permit to acquire a handgun (include semi-automatic) official from pistol club must complete part of the form
attached the fee required
send PTA application to Firearm Registry
There is a mandatory 28 day waiting period to complete further background checks. If your PTA is for a second or subsequent hunting rifle then background checks are not conducted.
Once you have the PTA you take it and firearm licence to Licensed Firearms Dealer
You can purchase a firearm/s
Firearm dealer will notify Firearms Registry of the purchase.
The firearm will be recorded on the Firearms Registry database system
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05-25-2022, 07:16 PM #409Hucked to flat once
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Hey, we're all good. The best shooters and most lethal hunters I know would prefer that you didn't know they have guns. Rarely talk about them and keep them locked away from the public eye. The people you're talking about are going to be tough to get them to see anything but the way they do it which is a bummer.
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05-25-2022, 07:17 PM #410
Y'all dismissed it cuz its Bobby, but his suggestion to make assault rifles Class 3/NFA is a good one.
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05-25-2022, 07:21 PM #411
He may not have the power to do anything. Its subject to federal law and the constitution. Many states try to pass laws banning and barring weapons and banning certain people from obtaining them, but are later found to be in violation of federal laws and constitution.
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05-25-2022, 07:21 PM #412
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05-25-2022, 07:26 PM #413
Class 3/NFA is a great idea. Plus it makes a person wait for months for their firearm. And the waiting period alone would go a long way to stopping some of the insanity. That said there’s not a single Republican politician in the country who would even agree to bring that suggestion up for debate. Even if the democrats had a super majority, every Republican politician would leave the country in order to deny a quorum. While it’s a great idea it’ll never happen. And if Bobby went to the shooting range and suggested that to his shooting friends he might not ever return. They’d view that as the worst repression ever experienced.
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05-25-2022, 07:31 PM #414
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05-25-2022, 07:31 PM #415Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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05-25-2022, 07:40 PM #419Hucked to flat once
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05-25-2022, 07:40 PM #420
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05-25-2022, 07:47 PM #421
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05-25-2022, 07:51 PM #422
Societal decay in this country has been ongoing since the 1940's. I see little hope. I have a 10 yr old, makes me want to puke. Also have bolt action rifles, a couple shotguns, a Glock 20, grew up with an AR-15 my dad had for plinking at our cabin.
It would be interesting to read sociological studies addressing hypotheses surrounding these shootings. Like WTF is going on in the USA that we have them weekly, and other countries with firearms do not.
Rambling. Dumbfounded.
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05-25-2022, 07:51 PM #423
90 minutes between report of shots and when the lunatic was put down.
Obviously, lunatics with AR’s does not make it easier, but had he been holed up with a 8 + 1 shotgun does anyone think the gravy seals would have gone in sooner.
If that’s my kids school I’m not standing back while those guys gear up and play with their toys.
Total fail
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05-25-2022, 07:55 PM #424
I've worked in plenty of ERs with cops/guns, one entrance, metal detectors, and big scary attack dogs. Same in court system when my wife worked fed probation. One entrance, two cops with guns, metal detector. Is it a solution for schools, fuck if I know. Is it worth trying? Or will it defray the efforts for other changes. I'm afraid our society/politicians lacks the ability to consider/discuss rationally any solutions.
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05-25-2022, 07:59 PM #425
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