View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
70 44.87% -
Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-30-2022, 05:46 PM #1476click here
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I'd blame that more on the elected officials, and by proxy SF residents. Awhile back one of their mayors responding to a raft of cellphone thefts on MUNI said if you don't want your phone stolen, don't have it in your hand. (I interpreted this as "don't visit SF")
There seems to be a notion that if a theft is only for a small amount, there isn't much harm done to society. My take is if someone's stealing cellphones every day, that's >100k in direct losses per year. Add in missed appointments, hassle to replace, and psychological damage... Lock the thieves away and lose the keys - it's way cheaper and makes a better society.
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05-30-2022, 05:47 PM #1477
I have always wondered if you can read
police are under no obligation to put themselves at risk. they are trained not to put them selves at risk
my step dad is a former nyc cop who left a banking job in the sixties. he serverd in korea and left banking for a more secure job working for the city as a cop
he became and undercover detective and then worked in the state prison system as an administrator where he got is bachelor degree
cop = job
cop <> hero
i have another cop in the family that did put it on the line going into an airplane that went into the water in NY as a port authority cop. The shooting at Robb Elementary proves my point. Nobody will be disciplined. A career or two may be over, but they will retire comfortably somewhere.
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05-30-2022, 05:48 PM #1478
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05-30-2022, 05:55 PM #1479
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05-30-2022, 05:56 PM #1480
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05-30-2022, 05:57 PM #1481
exactly
laughing my ass off
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05-30-2022, 05:57 PM #1482
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05-30-2022, 06:05 PM #1483
A police force that doesn't even call people back when they were victims of an armed robbery is a failed force. Seriously. I can't imagine the contortions you have to go through to get to "no way is that the police's fault".
If they did their best and prosecutor declined - sure. This is not even trying, not to mention the racist stuff they said to my wife when she noted it was a black guy and a white guy.
"Are you sure? They don't usually work together." It was 2012.
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05-30-2022, 06:07 PM #1484
Yes I have. And my point is simple: complaining about gun violence is unlikely to persuade the public and therefore law makers to change the law in the direction of stricter gun control unless it includes more enforcement, more law enforcement. We the public might decide that's a bad tradeoff but if you read between the lines that's what people, the public, really thinks:
Still, I'm not going to give mine up unless we all give all of them up together.
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05-30-2022, 06:10 PM #1485
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05-30-2022, 06:35 PM #1486
DB -
Thank you for joining the conversation -
last Wednesday, I wrote, emergency services ( including law enforcement ) are trained not to put themselves in harm's way.
another insisted, training is to rush an active shooter --
your family members in police services and ( prison) is noted
( I cannot relate to nyc. I had plenty to cope with with young friend in minneapolis in 2020 ( nightly violence after GeorgeFloyd was killed. ))
regarding Uvalde.
19 children were murdered. That's the loss --
That you think it is about the police and are laughing speaks volumes about You.
I realize a lot of guys are just here for an entertaining diversion ;
for some of us, this "community" means more than that.
it's pretty-clear I can read, even if I abuse a bunch of rules about writing in my posts -
That you start your post with an attempted insult... ( see my comment above about it reflecting on You. )
Uvalde is about 21 murders, DB -
but you can laugh and support the police.
Nice, DB --
skiJLast edited by skiJ; 06-02-2022 at 06:28 PM.
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05-30-2022, 06:46 PM #1487
After a few tequila drinks and a gummy the first thing that jumped into my head reading bobbies post was economies of scale. Thanks for doing the math. And yes, if we really wanted this done it would be quicker. Maybe posting the pictures would do it...idk. I wouldn't look because I don't need to be convinced.
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05-30-2022, 07:07 PM #1488
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05-30-2022, 07:12 PM #1489
This is what it’s like arguing with the anti gun control crowd - including posters in here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...g_double_down/
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05-30-2022, 07:23 PM #1490
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05-30-2022, 07:36 PM #1491
Okay, I’m not on the gun folks side but you’ve said this more than once. The police are not outgunned or wearing lesser armor than the bad guys. The standard rifle for most police is the AR 15 or even the M4 in some cases. They use level III, or better, armor for SWAT and are allowed to use most any armor. So stop this. It’s not a talking point
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05-30-2022, 07:55 PM #1492
their training is to rush an active shooter. that's why there is such an uproar. the cops suck - their culture is their safety first and protocol in a school shooting is rush the shooter
we all know what those cops did
cops even call it being on the job... the ulvade cops failed. it's not acceptable. policing needs to change in this country
i dont support the police. since returning to the people republic of vermont I have asked several officers of the law for their business cards and had the pleasure of discussing my interactions with said officer with their boss.
I pay my taxes and vote
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05-30-2022, 08:03 PM #1493
Probably been posted here but saw a tweet today that pointed out the NRA is happy with us blaming the cops and taking the heat off of easy access to the assault rifle.
Nobody should have to rush a suicidal 18 yo with an assault rifle.
But yeah. If our so called law enforcement officers are too cowed to rush this kind of firepower, why are these so weapons easy to obtain.
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05-30-2022, 08:12 PM #1494
the kids were talking to the cops on their cells, the police told them to yell out, when they did the kids where shot
the ineptitude of the cops and the miss information they gave is stunning
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05-30-2022, 08:31 PM #1495
This incident makes it so clear how dysfunctional we have become as a society on so many levels.
The guns, the repressive nature of cop culture, the industrialization of law enforcement, the repressed underclass.
Where do we focus our outrage?
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05-30-2022, 08:41 PM #1496
big pharma according to the gun scholars in here
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05-30-2022, 08:42 PM #1497
Just going by stuff I've read.. Just said their vests aren't full body armor plated. They'd be way hotter and heavier. Now, SWAT may have full plated, but doubt that little town has them.
Matt P.
, Gun owner, engaged in state/national gun policies and politics, instructor/FFL03
Answered Mar 15, 2018 · Upvoted by
Andy Duffell
, ex-forces armourer
Standard police body armor is NIJ Type IIa or IIIa soft armor. Both are rated to stop standard and magnum pistol rounds. Centerfire rifle rounds like .223 will go through either type of armor like it wasn’t there.
Only Type III or IV hard armor is rated to stop .223/5.56mm rounds from any rifle including the AR-15.
So no, standard police body armor will not stop a bullet from an AR-15. It isn’t designed to.
https://www.quora.com/Would-a-standa...an-AR-15-rifleGo that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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05-30-2022, 08:42 PM #1498click here
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05-30-2022, 08:47 PM #1499
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05-30-2022, 08:52 PM #1500
I saw that already. Still doesn't mean the vests they have stop .223s out of AR15s. Looked like they weren't too sure about that either..
Anybody here ever see a vest, any vest stop a high velocity .223 round out of an AR15 at close range? I'm skeptical that's even possible..Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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