View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
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No semiautomatic anythings...
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Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-26-2022, 10:02 AM #651
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05-26-2022, 10:04 AM #652
Agree with this. This is a good direction to focus in as it might be something that would galvanize the right into agreeing with the left about something, if police reform was not reduced to the idiotic 'defund the police' notion, and was something that could make them more effective in doing thier jobs which are supposed to be selfless not predatory.
Things the majority of citizens can agree on are what should be focused on, and when we find that they are things we all agree with, that the politicians cops and billionaires disagree with, well then we've got the makings of a functional democracy if we can keep moving forward with that productive unity.__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 10:05 AM #653
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05-26-2022, 10:05 AM #654
care given can be effective
but it needs to start happening before we can say it doesn't work
thanks
the other bit that seemingly gets shoved into the "mental health" box is the indoctrination online in extremism:
"patriotism" that is at odds with american law/precedent
militias
tacticool/fetishizing black guns
white nationalist grievance
etc
all at odds with the social contract listed upthread
I think counseling & assisting people who feel fringe to interact with society in positive ways is part of "mental health." It isn't just conditions where medication is prescribed.
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05-26-2022, 10:06 AM #655__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 10:08 AM #656__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 10:08 AM #657
The far right wingers in my office are reporting that the shooter was a transsexual man who had begun to transition to a woman. So apparently that's how the right is going to explain this away.
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05-26-2022, 10:11 AM #659Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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No, we could do everything we need to do that every other country has done. Just saying it can't be done is meaningless. We're not as insensible a country as the radical right/gun lobby would have you believe. Get rid of the guns and the problem goes away. It's literally as simple as that. Maybe we would never reach NZ levels of gun safety, but we could get to Canada levels. Certainly.
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We don't elect willfully blind senators here, and I'm not sure what the effect would be of writing to another state's senator...but I'd do it.
For this and 100 other reasons I'm completely ready to just cut off a good part of the country and let them have their guns, covid hospitalizations, forced births, etc. The start of the NA third world.[quote][//quote]
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05-26-2022, 10:22 AM #670
Exactly. When you have fucksticks open fucking carrying on stage to talk about a mass shooting event, who do you think they actually serve? Because it sure as fuck ain't the victimized families. Gun deaths have more than doubled under Abbott, yet they keep pushing for more and more gun deregulation, then keep getting re-elected. You get the government you vote for, not the one you want. Tons of shitheads making tons of hay from firearms manufacturers and the ammosexuals, and all it costs is people dying that they don't know. Until there are meaningful consequences for those that support wholesale deregulation of firearms and resistance to gun control, nothing changes.
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05-26-2022, 10:23 AM #671
Nothing gets done because we only care about the problem in fits and starts.
The NRA has a small group of dedicated people with a singular goal, who focus all of their efforts on negating gun control.
The rest of the country has people who get outraged every time something like this happens and then forget about it 3 weeks later.
Fuck we can’t even agree on what the problem is.
Is it automatic weapons? All guns? Clip sizes? Lack of regulation?
All the NRA has to know is “no”
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05-26-2022, 10:24 AM #672Hucked to flat once
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True. But being me, I don't think all guns should be outright banned. And most manufacturers do support the NRA. What he could have done instead of assuming and being an asshole, would be to ask questions.
Like, how can you buy guns and ammo and feel okay about that? Well, I rarely buy guns and have always done so with an FFL check and have had enhanced background checks and fingerprinting every five years. I also don't buy the type of weapons traditionally used in people shootings nor those calibers (bolt guns and revolvers with associated calibers). Maybe the manufacturers will see that their hunting segments are still profitable and will go back to focusing on those. And maybe if those are profitable, the NRA could get back to why it was founded-hunter education and firearm safety.
Well, what about your memberships and PAC support? Jeeze, how about fuck the NRA. But our household does donate annually to everytown.org because while we don't agree with every bullet point of their platform, we feel the majority of their points are fair compromises to making firearm ownership in our communities safer and would prevent some of these tragedies.
How do you vote? That's a tough one. If I'm on the fence on a candidate and the NRA supports them, they're out. But guns are not the only issue in society and some candidates are working on other things I support some I have to think about those more. Do you ever look at a candidates donor list? Yes. The candidates' backers play a major role in how I vote.
What's in those phone calls you make and letters you write to legislators? Mostly that I'm a lifelong gun owner and hunter whose a fourth generation hunter of this state and that I support stronger regulations around firearms.
You know, stuff like that that may lead to deeper conversations that seem to be more effective "than this guy owns guns, he's a hypocrite". But Mazderati just seems to troll me on other topics too. This one got me a little riled as these shootings are such a tragedy and they don't need to happen. There are steps our society could work to that would help. I don't think an all out firearm ban is the answer as it will be tangled in courts forever but some more sensible things might be accomplished and those start with guns owners and non-owners talking. There's always going to be the fringe that won't participate but I'm a low hanging fruit gun guy that is excited to have the chat. Why be a dick about it?
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I mean, I find it increasingly hard to maintain that faith (if for no other reason: 2016).
But your point about directing some of this concern to elected officials is valid, it's just something all my elected officials are already on board with. If the rest of the country followed the bluer states we'd have strong gun laws and far fewer shootings. Imagine the whole country under NYC gun laws--virtually no one aside from law enforcement allowed to carry, no sales, nothing else. There would be thousands of kids who wouldn't have ended up body bagged. But, you know, that's an impossible fantasy, because...???[quote][//quote]
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