If only there was something we could do...

[mcphee]

BS, I agree and should have brought up drug legalization as an effort to curb gun violence a long time ago. But, IMO, innocent kids being slaughtered in classrooms and the psychological effect of mass shooting drills and armed guards in schools is enough for anyone to say enough is enough. Legalize drugs to curb gang violence and you still have a gun violence in schools issue. The common denominator will always be the firearms and since we’ve proven as a society to be irresponsible with unfettered access to firearms, melt them all down, retool the manufacturers for something useful, and open up the intoxicant market to every adult who wants them.

[SumJongGuy]

Admittingly anecdotally from someone who lives smack in the middle of solid gang violence territory and good guys with guns everywhere I'm going to put my money on the road rage being the cause of more shootings and injuries/deaths than gang beefs as of late.. i.e. the past 5-10 years with all this excess handguns and open carry proliferation. If only someone could get funding to study these trends..

[Bobby Stainless]

innocent kids being slaughtered in classrooms and the psychological effect of mass shooting drills and armed guards in schools is enough for anyone to say enough is enough.

Yeah its totally worse and its unfair.

Criminals getting shot doing criminal shit is how it goes. Hard to feel sorry for them.

[skaredshtles]

JFC, the drug use number is patently false.

Yeah... but let's not let facts get in the way of the narrative.

[AK47bp]

BS, I agree and should have brought up drug legalization as an effort to curb gun violence a long time ago. But, IMO, innocent kids being slaughtered in classrooms and the psychological effect of mass shooting drills and armed guards in schools is enough for anyone to say enough is enough. Legalize drugs to curb gang violence and you still have a gun violence in schools issue. The common denominator will always be the firearms and since we’ve proven as a society to be irresponsible with unfettered access to firearms, melt them all down, retool the manufacturers for something useful, and open up the intoxicant market to every adult who wants them.

If I had a magic wand I’d melt all firearms and weapons of war around the world and legalize all drugs.

What a world huh?

You want to steal my bag of DMT come at me with a hunting knife or a strongly worded letter.

With my luck once the weapons are gone then the aliens invade.




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[Bobby Stainless]

And therein lies the rub.

Ill give my guns up... but you first.

[bennymac]

And therein lies the rub.

Ill give my guns up... but you first.

There is only one “rub”? With you and TNKaren it’s more like a thousand.

We need to prevent all deaths from everything else first. But since that’s not possible…

This is where you go back to whatever sensible suggestions you have made. Great. Let’s do that. If you truly believed in that though you wouldn’t keep repeating the other 99% bullshit whataboutism and deflection. The fact that you can’t help but muddy the waters shows your true intent.

[TBS]

If we are looking at preserving the population, what are we doing about

Illegal drug use 750,000
Cigarettes 480,000
Medical errors 250,000
Alcohol 95,000
Car accidents 43,000

Total: 1,618,000 annual deaths

Homicidal gun violence is about 6x that total.
Why not focus on what gives the most bang for the buck?

[TBS]

JFC, the drug use number is patently false.

According to this it’s accurate
https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use
Includes calculated secondary/tertiary effects

[skaredshtles]

According to this it’s accurate
https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use
Includes calculated secondary/tertiary effects

Well - it's also a *worldwide* figure... so kind of irrelevant when making comparisons to U.S. numbers...

[TBS]

^^^D’oh!
Mea culpa

[Adolf Allerbush]

According to this it’s accurate
https://ourworldindata.org/illicit-drug-use
Includes calculated secondary/tertiary effects

That's a pretty misleading number, not just the worldwide thing. I think OD'ing is in the 100K/year range in the US...not great, but the 750K number includes people who maybe had a drug problem, recovered but died before the US life expectancy of 77 years old. Sure, ok...you got to 76 and died and once were a raging coke head...ok, got it. I don't think that's what TNKen was getting at...

[skaredshtles]

^^^D’oh!
Mea culpa

You gotta admit, though - it's a pretty shocking number when used incorrectly to further a narrative.

[Cisco Kid]

You get bullied by your old man too?

Actually my dad spoiled me. Got me my first gun before I was 2. Sorry about you and your dad.

[Harry]

pointing out that anyone rocking those guns is a huge fucking douchebag.

I agree with this statement.



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[TNKen]

Homicidal gun violence is about 6x that total.
Why not focus on what gives the most bang for the buck?

Not true. 45,222 in 2020. 43% murder, 54% suicide.

[Conundrum]

If anyone is going to kill me with drugs, it's going to be me. -me

[MultiVerse]

Not true. 45,222 in 2020. 43% murder, 54% suicide.

Should also include >100,000 gun injuries in the totals. For every person shot and killed between 2-and-3 survive, albeit often at the cost of life altering permanent disabilities. You could also add the damaging health effects, lost productivity, and negative educational effects as a result of people & kids living under the constant threat of gun violence.

[toast2266]

Homicidal gun violence is about 6x that total.
Why not focus on what gives the most bang for the buck?

Not true. 45,222 in 2020. 43% murder, 54% suicide.

So you use global statistics for drug deaths, but US numbers for gun deaths? If you're going to use bullshit statistics, at least be consistent with your bullshit.

Gonna be tough to get accurate firearms deaths worldwide though. Fog of war, and all that.

[Conundrum]

Looks like north of 250k for global gun deaths per year but yeah, not a lot of great data. https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ths-by-country

And for Bobby:

Gangs are much less of an issue in the United States, yet it is second only to Brazil on the list in total gun deaths. Many people understandably assume the high number of gun deaths in the U.S. is due to mass shootings, which receive frequent attention from the media. In truth, mass shootings account for only a small percentage of gun deaths in the United States. Rather, nearly two-thirds (63%) of gun deaths in the US in 2019 were suicides.

[Bobby Stainless]

Gangs/Drugs/Crime. Its all fairly synonymous and unrelated to mass shootings.

[mcphee]

Not really. As you’ve said before, most mass shootings occur in cities and are gang related.

[Meadow Skipper]

Butwhadabout the other 15k or so deaths that don't cause a national outcry.

Reads better this way.

[Bobby Stainless]

Not really. As you’ve said before, most mass shootings occur in cities and are gang related.

The definition for mass shooting of 4 people getting shot does not define what happened in TX.

Reads better this way.

Not really. People get motivated when a bunch of kids are slaughtered. Normal killings in predominately Black neighborhoods dont seem to really grab the attention of at least this TGR crowd.

[SumJongGuy]

Unless you are one of the people involved in the 1500 instances of defensive use per year. I bet those people are safer.

And how many domestic murder suicide deaths? Probably many times that.. Proof that gins are way more dangerous to the owner and immediate family than they are likely to be heroes.