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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
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No semiautomatic anythings...
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Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-25-2022, 11:01 AM #276
Scroll up to those numbers, though. What makes it seem like there's VASTLY more terrorism aimed at schools outside the US? Media coverage, possibly? Certainly there are other forms of terrorism, but there's something off about complaining about media not caring and also stating that your perception actually supports the media giving such things attention--possibly even overweighting that attention.
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05-25-2022, 11:01 AM #277
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05-25-2022, 11:02 AM #278Originally Posted by blurred
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05-25-2022, 11:04 AM #279Registered User
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05-25-2022, 11:16 AM #284
FWIW, the biggest common denominator in mass shootings is hatred of women and a history of domestic violence. Most shooters kill a close female right before their shooting spree. Gun control aimed at individuals convicted of misdemeanor stalking, sexual assault, and domestic violence is probably one of the more effective ways to mitigate large-scale acts of violence.
source: https://www.californialawreview.org/...-path-forward/
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05-25-2022, 11:17 AM #285
Also armed guards won't work. They ran away in Parkland, and this shooter was actively engaged by law enforcement and still went on their rampage. If your proposal is "more cops", it's already been relatively proven to be ineffective.
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05-25-2022, 11:20 AM #286Originally Posted by blurred
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05-25-2022, 11:20 AM #287
to do it at your kitchen table you’d need the full auto sear which, fir like the ar15 is a machine gun, is illegal to own unless you are properly licensed. Most of the things I’ve seen require modification in a light machine shop - the modification into full auto being illegal unless you are properly licensed. And it’s not easy to find a place to shoot one, unless you have an illegal suppressor. Sad funny watching the gun dorks who smoke weed illegally bragging about the power of background checks.
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05-25-2022, 11:21 AM #288click here
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No. One of the things that makes America great is that pretty much everything is soft targets. Everything is cheaper and more efficient when you live in a secure state that is not a security state. We could all live behind walls and drive armored vehicles and have checkpoints to enter secure areas. All the valuable things we leave laying around like cars on the street, copper powerlines, ATMs, etc could all be locked away. Well, some things like powerlines we'd do without, but you could have a generator.
Moving to a security state or police state is the wrong direction. There's a part of our society that wants to fear the rest of society. Fear is a plague we need to work against so everyone can have a good free life.
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05-25-2022, 11:22 AM #289
Since 1986, nobody is licensed to create a machine gun (new or by modification) unless you are making it for a government.
Originally Posted by blurred
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05-25-2022, 11:24 AM #290
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05-25-2022, 11:24 AM #291
no, Multi- and I believe I was clear about this - we are not turning schools into prisons - and the physical facility can be modified to greatly limit access.
Single entry, designed for security. the attractive entryways may have to go away.
Would I trade school Security for an attractive entry ?
Twenty years ago. And Tomorrow
( it can't be done by tomorrow. but it could be done by September )
it's Not a one-size fits all situation -
one of my nearby elementary schools has less than fifty students. Not fifty per annual class ( graduating classes often less than ten students )
Some of you have fifty times ( 50x) that many students.
Every community already has law enforcement -
Maybe school Safety becomes a priority ( many communities have law enforcement with Special training... )
I am not going to support staffing a school with fifty students with four guards. But If access is restricted, and a qualified Safety staff-er is on-site at least two hours daily, I believe the school may be/can be safer.
my idea is restricted access ; it is Not armed guards.
If you need law enforcement, call 911.
thanks. tj
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05-25-2022, 11:25 AM #292Registered User
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you aren't suposed to kill people either
just sayinLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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05-25-2022, 11:28 AM #293Registered User
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05-25-2022, 11:29 AM #294
LSL - what is your solution ?
tj
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05-25-2022, 11:30 AM #295
We agree "mass shooting" is a nebulous category because if you want it to seem like a huge issue you define it in a way that the numbers are large... but composed almost entirely of gang/drug related crime: some firearm policy advocates would like to tell you that there HUNDREDS of mass shootings every year, but they are counting two people shot at a convenience store robbery or 4 people shot in a gang/drug driveby while actually trying to elicit in the mind of their audience that these are all random acts of violence on the order of school shootings.
If you want to look at stats in a way seemingly related to the AWB, you choose something more related to the type of shooting that most people think of when you say "mass shooting," but then the number is in cold rational terms a tiny tiny fraction of firearm deaths. 1350 deaths over 13 years is still very small statistically speaking. But mass shootings are needless tragedy and loss hyperconcentrated and this attracts media attention in a way gang shootings do not.Originally Posted by blurred
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05-25-2022, 11:32 AM #296
This is a machine gun
https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...15-machine-gun
you can find plans for it and ones like it online. Not terribly hard to make. As you said the penalties can be stiff if you do.
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05-25-2022, 11:36 AM #297
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States
edit: @ summit, I wasn't arguing with you. Just saw the chart, immediately suspected bs, and you were the last person talking about it.
I think we can all agree that the statistical significance when it comes to school children is irrelevant. ONE is too many. If America needs to be made great again, the first order of business should be that kids don't get shot.
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05-25-2022, 11:38 AM #298
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05-25-2022, 11:40 AM #299
Pretty sure everyone calling for better gun control is also holding pharmaceutical companies responsible for their part in the opioid epidemic. Your bullshit post doesn’t compute. It’s also packed with hyperbole, gaslighting and personal attacks on the people that don’t agree with you. King Strawman laying it down.
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