View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
16 10.26% -
Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
30 19.23% -
Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
70 44.87% -
Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-26-2022, 12:39 PM #751
Feb 2017, one of his first fucking actions flies in the face of that assertion and is applicable to everything we are talking about.
Damn peoples memories are short
President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.
The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.
Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.
President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.
The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.
Both the House and Senate last week passed the new bill, H.J. Res 40, revoking the Obama-era regulation.
Trump signed the bill into law without a photo op or fanfare. The president welcomed cameras into the oval office Tuesday for the signing of other executive orders and bills. News that the president signed the bill was tucked at the bottom of a White House email alerting press to other legislation signed by the president.
The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”
Everytown For Gun Safety President John Feinblatt said he expected more gun control rollbacks from the Trump administration. In a statement to NBC News, he called the action "just the first item on the gun lobby’s wish list" and accused the National Rifle Association of "pushing more guns, for more people, in more places."
Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., a leading gun control advocate in Congress, called out Republicans over the move.
"Republicans always say we don’t need new gun laws, we just need to enforce the laws already on the books. But the bill signed into law today undermines enforcement of existing laws that Congress passed to make sure the background check system had complete information," he said in an emailed statement.
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05-26-2022, 12:40 PM #752
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05-26-2022, 12:41 PM #753
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05-26-2022, 12:42 PM #754"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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05-26-2022, 12:44 PM #755
If only there was something we could do...
Fuck the gun owning public. They’re the minority and the majority of the public wants to severely restrict firearm access. Again, FUCK THE GUN OWNING PUBLIC. Your hobby and cosplay and fever dreams of the government/bogeyman coming to get you does not override the rational fear that unarmed citizens feel on a daily basis.
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05-26-2022, 12:45 PM #756
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05-26-2022, 12:45 PM #757
"Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack. Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years. They leave behind four children," Zuniga's tweet said.
https://www.newsweek.com/husband-uva...attack-1710587j'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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05-26-2022, 12:46 PM #758
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05-26-2022, 12:46 PM #759
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05-26-2022, 12:51 PM #760
with regard to law enforcement, I believe current training Greatly emphasized officer safety, and 'securing the scene' and when faced with weaponry, Waiting for reinforcements And superior firepower - no heroics.
while I do not agree with it, and my experience has been Bad, I understand how many of the people now being drawn to law enforcement would act in this way - Just following their training --
( a few years ago, in an unexpected conversation with a novice officer following an incident that had been at the verge of going Very Badly, my comment to the novice officer was,
' I hope you learned something '
The officer responded,
' I would do exactly the same thing again. '
escalate the conflict. use force. (2018)
local law enforcement did exactly what they were trained to do.
Yes, it is a very bad look --
tj
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05-26-2022, 12:51 PM #761
Not. For. Active. Shooters.
This has been mentioned repeatedly. The response for an active shooter is IMMEDIATELY ATTACK: run towards the sounds of gunfire and eliminate the threat. This change came in 1999 after Columbine where "secure the scene and wait" got a ton of kids hurt and killed while the killers kept killing.Originally Posted by blurred
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05-26-2022, 12:52 PM #762
I'm not saying it won't work, but it's naive to deny that scale does not create serious challenges with implementation. Let's start with the low-hanging fruit first--21+ to purchase, licensing, registration, etc. Going straight to mass confiscation seems likely to generate serious blowback and go nowhere.
2019 bump stock ban suggests otherwise.
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05-26-2022, 12:56 PM #763
That's putting the heelpiece on the front of the ski.
The Gun Issue has been developed into yet another powerful wedge mechanism that drives not only division, but contributions from passionate minority factions.
So count it among abortion, race and religion as a way for manipulative pseudopoliticians to get power.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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05-26-2022, 12:58 PM #764
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05-26-2022, 12:59 PM #765
Same. Until someone stops the wholesale slaughter of people in downtown St Louis don’t ask me to go help people with their medicare and medicaid without worrying about my safety.
I’ve actually stopped going down there and helping the low income beneficiaries. I didn’t like feeling like I needed a gun 1500 appointments and I saw enough shit to either quit, or put a gun in my bag. So I quit and sold most of what I had.
I would really, really like to feel like everyone didn’t have a fucking gun in their car. But they do.
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05-26-2022, 12:59 PM #766
Dantheman, how does that minor action suggest he would do something drastic? Read Woodsy's post above or the heritage foundation report:
https://www.heritage.org/firearms/co...t-trump-so-farj'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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05-26-2022, 01:02 PM #767
the Question I do have is how was the school Safety Officer not in a position to defend the school - That is that officer's job.
Not to pursue an assailant in the neighborhood - secure and defend the school ;
when the call came that drew the school safety officer away, that school should have gone to LOCK-DOWN until the threat was gone. !!!
f* tj
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05-26-2022, 01:02 PM #768
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05-26-2022, 01:03 PM #769
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05-26-2022, 01:06 PM #770
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05-26-2022, 01:06 PM #771Originally Posted by blurred
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05-26-2022, 01:08 PM #772
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05-26-2022, 01:10 PM #773
3% of firearms are "assault weapons". Get off your soapbox.
You aren't even focused on the correct firearm to change gun deaths in any meaningful way. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is dreadful.
It's pretty apparent most of you don't know the first thing about gun laws or gun ownership."I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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05-26-2022, 01:13 PM #774
A problem is that there is great awareness of the huge desire frequently and loudly espoused by many to do mass confiscation, and that reasonable inches are part of an incremental strategy to reach that confiscation milestone.
So this allows a narrative that common sense solutions should be opposed in order to delay the incremental goal of confiscation. And that "it's inevitable, so lets slow it down at every corner" narrative is heavily enable by shrill cries for confiscation by those who are also peddling small steps. That is why the right sadly won't take Feinberg's reasonable proposal seriously. But those screaming for confiscation don't care about that part of the equation, even when it means nothing gets done.Originally Posted by blurred
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05-26-2022, 01:15 PM #775
I said as much a few pages ago. Negotiation isn't a strong suit of the gun control crowd.
"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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