View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
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Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-26-2022, 09:37 AM #626
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05-26-2022, 09:39 AM #627Hucked to flat once
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05-26-2022, 09:41 AM #628
The presumptive vitriol directed personally is sad, but expected in the emotional response to this horror. Won't help anything though...
Originally Posted by blurred
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05-26-2022, 09:44 AM #631
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05-26-2022, 09:46 AM #632
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05-26-2022, 09:46 AM #633
yep
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05-26-2022, 09:49 AM #634"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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05-26-2022, 09:51 AM #635Registered User
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05-26-2022, 09:51 AM #636
Honestly I do not get how I am condescending, especially when compared with many here, I don't call names, tell people they are stupid, ridicule or use strawmen.
I ramble a bit.
My point this whole time is that you anti gun types won't get the support to turn over the second amendment and if you want the perfect to not be the enemy of the good and actually create solutions, you're going to have to start focusing on less divisive solutions that more people can support because overturning the second just isn't going to happen, and if it did, even if you supported it, it would be done as an act of tyranny like executive order and not the actual 38 states ratification for nullifying an amendment you'd need.
WTF about that is condescending? I used the phrase emotionally gratifying a few times because yes, that does seem like what is focused on by many, and venting hate for gun owners won't solve anything, but that is pretty tame for condescending around here.
Again I'd really love an actual answer as I have no idea why, other than perhaps its annoying to you if you know the above has truth and validity but would rather not think about it..__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
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Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 09:51 AM #637
We have more than one example of school shooters specifically targeting those who mercilessly bullied them, or targeted the school at which they were bullied blaming the system, not that such murder is justified.
This 18 year old guy did not attend school for the last year, guy got kicked out of his house, lived with his grandparents, shot grandma over a phone bill, then went to a random nearby elementary school and randomly murdered an entire classroom of 4th graders and their teacher.
I guarantee you he was an amoral psychopath. You CANNOT fix that with better mental healthcare. I made a detailed post about this a few pages back and got zero response.
Don't medicalize all criminality.
That being said, mental healthcare is very important.Originally Posted by blurred
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05-26-2022, 09:52 AM #638
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05-26-2022, 09:53 AM #640
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05-26-2022, 09:53 AM #641__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ________________
"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 09:54 AM #642
Even something approaching 40% of Republicans support more gun control. It doesn't matter. In the immediate aftermath mass shootings result in a lot of hard line statements against guns from politicians that they then quickly walk back. The gun lobby uses the comments in perpetuity to rile up the anti-restriction base resulting in even fewer regulations than there were before the mass shooting occurred.
We've had people on this forum donate to the NRA, and proudly show their receipts, days after a mass shooting saying they did so because of comments in the thread even though nobody at the time called for 'grabbing' anyone's guns.
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05-26-2022, 09:56 AM #643
Is there a point where we would have allowed our citizens to have access to weapons / armor / ammunition that a police force can't reasonable be expected to provide safety?
I'm not one to pardon the duty of LEOs but we're approaching combat situations here. What is a reasonable expectation regarding casualties? Do we just get into a arms race? That seems....avoidable.
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05-26-2022, 09:57 AM #644
better mental health care, and better recognition of mental issues, might limit the damage though. Right now the only mental health barrier to gun purchase is manifestation of it that results in felony criminal conviction, misdemeanor domestic violence, restraining order on spouse etc., and commitment or adjudication of defective at the federal level. Various states have various red flag laws of various efficacy.
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05-26-2022, 09:57 AM #645Registered User
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"We don't need predator control, we need whiner control. Anyone who complains that "the gummint oughta do sumpin" about the wolves and coyotes should be darted, caged, and released in a more suitable habitat for them, like the middle of Manhattan." - Spats
"I'm constantly doing things I can't do. Thats how I get to do them." - Pablo Picasso
Cisco and his wife are fragile idiots who breed morons.
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05-26-2022, 10:01 AM #648
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