View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-25-2022, 10:01 AM #226
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05-25-2022, 10:05 AM #227
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05-25-2022, 10:07 AM #228Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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05-25-2022, 10:09 AM #229
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05-25-2022, 10:09 AM #230
things I both lack - so i got that going for me
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05-25-2022, 10:12 AM #231
Eh, AI is pretty shit at NLP still. It can summarize text and other things, but it's really bad at reading intent and sentiment, as most of that is just word encoding under the covers, which is honestly a shitty way to do it given vernacular changes etc. You'd also need to build historical models of people's speech or output and compare against that as a baseline. More likely to have lots of false-positives. This is why regulatory and societal fixes are much better. Pointing cops (who have their own violence issues) at "potential" school shooters is going to just end up with more innocent dead kids, just through a different mechanism.
Restricting access, putting waiting periods in and doing things like perhaps Israel does around firearms where they incorporate mental health checks and training would be the right way to do it while not unduly restricting those who still want to engage in hunting or other activities (https://www.gov.il/en/Departments/Ge...ng-information)
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05-25-2022, 10:13 AM #232
Lol. Both my "assault rifles" are registered with the ATF as short barreled rifles. Along with my picture and finger prints. You can't get anymore vetted than I have, as a civilian.
I also posted a solution that revenues 2 billion in taxes from existing assault rifles and 200 per each one produced.
I'm actually a new car salesman now. Moving up in the world."I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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05-25-2022, 10:14 AM #233
Garsh, there are gun laws in Chicago? Neat! Guess where there is very little gun regulation? Right outside of Chicago.
Let's have this argument again and again! Yay! Fucking moron.
Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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05-25-2022, 10:15 AM #234
I agree it is critical to consider types of gun deaths and environment:
Self harm is different from accidental is different from criminal.
For criminal, crimes of passion are different from premeditated crime is different from gang/drug violence is different from terroristic attacks or psychopathic mass murder.
Looking at these still-large categories individually allows the necessary consideration of cause vs effect to prioritize and select solutions.
Urban is different than the burbs is different than ruralLast edited by Summit; 05-25-2022 at 10:37 AM.
Originally Posted by blurred
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05-25-2022, 10:17 AM #235Registered User
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I had a nice little talk with my 4th grader on the way to school today about crazy people with guns killing 4th graders in their classroom.
And to think, yesterday I was frustrated that all he wanted to talk about was Minecraft.
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05-25-2022, 10:19 AM #237
it is happening now with suicide AIs. It is a little different and looks for clusters and mental health professionals are notified
it is my opinion/bias that a lot of these shooters post online their intentions
everything you bring up would be welcome from my point of view and valid
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05-25-2022, 10:19 AM #238"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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05-25-2022, 10:20 AM #239
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05-25-2022, 10:21 AM #240
I see that this is the phase of the argument where gun nuts will flood the zone with bullshit until they have achieved their arms resulting in the customary do-nothing period.
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05-25-2022, 10:21 AM #241
I was going to mention this. They don't grab the sexy headlines but those Saturday Night Specials are an even bigger problem. Obviously they need to be regulated better as do all guns, not just assault weapons.
As per the bump stock conversation from a few pages back, I live in liberal land CA and I've seen them around. It's definitely a thing.I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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05-25-2022, 10:21 AM #242
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05-25-2022, 10:24 AM #244Registered User
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05-25-2022, 10:25 AM #245
I was going to mention this. They don't grab the sexy headlines but those Saturday Night Specials are an even bigger problem. Obviously they need to be regulated better as do all guns, not just assault weapons.
As per the bump stock conversation from a few pages back, I live in liberal land CA and I've seen them around. It's definitely a thing.I ski 135 degree chutes switch to the road.
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05-25-2022, 10:25 AM #246
You guys have a solution yet?
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05-25-2022, 10:29 AM #247
thanks and Thank you for your clarification -
I agree with you... And I still believe enhanced school Safety is obtainable - at the local level.
it is interesting to me to see this thread become an argument about guns. or gun rights --
Bobby- , how do you propose decreasing mass killings ( Because some of your argument seems informed, and yet all I am reading is 'guns are a problem '
I said it above, and I will say it again, schools are attacked Because they are the easiest targets ( churches, too ) -
the children have not done anything, they are just undefended targets.
we can Start by making schools safer - restricted access. Not prison- or 'Pentagon'- secure, but I would not be opposed to single-entry.
gun control is probably the wrong term. How about public Safety promotion - background checks.
I would not be opposed to escalated regulations regarding assault weapons. ( see Summer's post about Australia )
what's your solution, Bobby-
tj
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05-25-2022, 10:30 AM #248
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05-25-2022, 10:31 AM #249
- As of 2019 there are more firearm deaths per year than automobile accident fatalities.
- A gun owner is more likely to discharge a firearm in a domestic dispute, suicide attempt, or accident than in self defense.
I believe there is middle ground we can find that saves lives and still allows a strong hunting & sport shooting culture.
How does policing improve in this country when cops don’t have to treat every interaction as if the other party is armed?
How many veteran lives are extended if they don’t have as easy access to suicide?
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05-25-2022, 10:32 AM #250
Leroy and Bobby have it all figured out. Didn't you know, gun violence is down since the 80s so we're all good y'all! Bobby has a couple of guns registered with ATF...problem solved!
A couple of thoughts....
Universal background checks
Register all new gun sales
If you buy a gun you need to prove that you can store it safely and are required to prove this prior to taking possession
periodic (maybe every 2-4 year) mental health checks to confirm you are mentally capable of safely owning a firearm
Need a license to operate a firearm
Loss of arsenal if you fail to meet any of the above as applicable.Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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