View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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06-15-2022, 04:55 AM #2526"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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06-15-2022, 04:57 AM #2527
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06-15-2022, 05:02 AM #2528"I don't pretend to have all the answers, and I think there's something to be said for that" -One For The Road
Brain dead and made of money.
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06-15-2022, 05:39 AM #2529Registered User
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06-15-2022, 05:49 AM #2530
Just another road rage murder around the corner from my house.. It's almost every day
https://twitter.com/TheDurhamBull1Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2022, 06:45 AM #2531
Melt all firearms down. Throw any obstructionists to a safer society into the crucible.
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06-15-2022, 07:07 AM #2532
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06-15-2022, 08:21 AM #2533
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06-15-2022, 08:28 AM #2534
This is also why I'm mostly good with just getting the mega magazine high velocity stuff off the streets... stuff that shreds steel doors and standard police vests and can blast 30 rounds in less than 15 seconds should not be as easy to get as a basic hunting gun. One of the few things I'd like to return to the 70s about..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-15-2022, 08:29 AM #2535
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06-15-2022, 08:30 AM #2536
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06-15-2022, 08:31 AM #2537
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06-15-2022, 08:34 AM #2538
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06-15-2022, 09:25 AM #2539
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06-15-2022, 09:35 AM #2540
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06-15-2022, 09:51 AM #2541
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06-15-2022, 09:57 AM #2542
Look at that Incel kid of theirs. I hope the schools near them have locking doors.
Sent from my iPad using TGR Forums"Zee damn fat skis are ruining zee piste !" -Oscar Schevlin
"Hike up your skirt and grow a dick you fucking crybaby" -what Bunion said to Harry at the top of The Headwaters
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06-15-2022, 10:02 AM #2543
Mediocre collection. No .50 BMG.
In order to properly convert this thread to a polyasshat thread to more fully enrage the liberal left frequenting here...... (insert latest democratic blunder of your choice).
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06-15-2022, 10:20 AM #2544
that's *exactly* why i'm only half erect
j'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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06-15-2022, 10:34 AM #2545
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/statu...AQBFzdqlnXS4iQ
Oh. So the issue is the ‘gun control’ parts of the gun control bill. Got it.
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06-15-2022, 10:45 AM #2546
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06-15-2022, 10:57 AM #2547
Yawn.
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06-15-2022, 11:15 AM #2548
They are already regulated, or maybe you weren't aware?
Permissible restrictions on expression
Despite the broad freedom of expression guaranteed by the First Amendment, there are some historically rooted exceptions. First, the government may generally restrict the time, place, or manner of speech, if the restrictions are unrelated to what the speech says and leave people with enough alternative ways of expressing their views. Thus, for instance, the government may restrict the use of loudspeakers in residential areas at night, limit all demonstrations that block traffic, or ban all picketing of people’s homes.
Second, a few narrow categories of speech are not protected from government restrictions. The main such categories are incitement, defamation, fraud, obscenity, child pornography, fighting words, and threats. As the Supreme Court held in Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969), the government may forbid “incitement”—speech “directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action” and “likely to incite or produce such action” (such as a speech to a mob urging it to attack a nearby building). But speech urging action at some unspecified future time may not be forbidden.
Defamatory lies (which are called “libel” if written and “slander” if spoken), lying under oath, and fraud may also be punished. In some instances, even negligent factual errors may lead to lawsuits. Such exceptions, however, extend only to factual falsehoods; expression of opinion may not be punished even if the opinion is broadly seen as morally wrong.
Certain types of hard-core pornography, labeled obscenity by the law, may also be punished, as the Supreme Court held in Miller v. California (1973). Exactly what constitutes obscenity is not clear, but since the 1980s the definition has been quite narrow. Also, obscenities in the sense of merely vulgar words may not be punished (Cohen v. California [1971]).
Material depicting actual children engaging in sex, or being naked in a sexually suggestive context, is called child pornography and may be punished. Sexually themed material that uses adults who look like children or features hand-drawn or computer-generated pictures of fictional children does not fall within this exception, though some such material might still be punishable as obscenity.
Fighting words—defined as insults of the kind likely to provoke a physical fight—may also be punished, though general commentary on political, religious, or social matters may not be punished, even if some people are so upset by it that they want to attack the speaker. Personalized threats of illegal conduct, such as death threats, may also be punished.
No exception exists for so-called hate speech (see also hate crime). Racist threats are unprotected by the First Amendment alongside other threats, and personally addressed racist insults might be punishable alongside other fighting words. But such speech may not be specially punished because it is racist, sexist, antigay, or hostile to some religion.
Move upside and let the man go through...
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06-15-2022, 11:17 AM #2549Registered User
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Part of it, but to me the fact he only had a pistol vs a high powered high capacity weapon gave them the time to lockdown before blood was spilled, and allowed the doors to hold, and gave the cops the confidence to engage.
Obviously not as smart and prepared an attacker as Uvale, but even an idiot with a higher powered, high capacity weapon can likely do more damage than with a pistol, unless the attack mode was to remain concealed until at close range and take out close range targets.
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06-15-2022, 11:29 AM #2550
As discussed in the days following the Uvalde school massacre a problem with school security measures is objects designed to protect teachers and children can also protect shooters:
With the shooter inside Uvalde classrooms secure doors kept police out. Designed for safety, the metal-framed doors became another barrier between police and the gunman.
When Border Patrol tactical agents and police officers arrived in the hallway of a Uvalde, Tex., elementary school on May 24, they faced an immediate disadvantage: a gunman, and his victims, were shut inside adjoining classrooms behind metal doors.
The tactical teams, known as BORTAC, are well-versed in the breaching techniques used to raid stash houses along the U.S.-Mexico border that they believe are occupied by traffickers and human smugglers. In those scenarios, a deadbolt lock on the door of a residential home is typically no match for the heavy, cylinder-shaped battering ram agents can use to bash their way inside.
But the secure classroom doors at Robb Elementary School were different. They had metal frames, and opened outward, making it impossible to force them open with a ram.
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the design of the classroom doors significantly added to the challenge officers were facing, according to experts and officials briefed on what happened. As teachers and their students were bleeding, and children called 911 to plead for help, agents and officers who had been told the doors were locked struggled to locate keys and the tools to force their way in,
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It took more than an hour for officers to locate the right key and obtain the ballistic shield that gave the BORTAC agents protection as they crossed the threshold of the door.
Without the shield, anyone opening the doors outward would face a barrage of fire from the shooter’s AR-15 rifle. Two officers had already been grazed by bullets after attempting to confront the shooter in the first several minutes of the attack; they pulled back as Arredondo treated the incident as a standoff with a barricaded suspect, rather than an urgent confrontation with an active shooter
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