View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
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Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
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No semiautomatic anythings...
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Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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06-06-2022, 01:06 PM #1976
I agree with the first statement. So, therefore, i would like fewer guns, less chances of me or someone i know being shot.
I have not been shot, nor do I know first hand someone who has died from being shot. Let's keep it that way. Reducing the number of guns out there will help accomplish that.
There was a guy we knew through kids that had a reputation as a buyer and seller of guns, hard to get stuff etc. Once his reputation got around, he was sort of not invited to stuff anymore, as most we associate with don't have much interest in being around guns, besides hunting rifles and shot guns. Last I heard he moved to Texas. Good riddance.sigless.
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06-06-2022, 01:13 PM #1977
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06-06-2022, 01:45 PM #1978
With so many TRGers here over 40 or 50 yrs old, I know I’m not alone In being around to see the societal transition that resulted in the pervasive ammosexuality / living in fear syndrome. I grew up around guns, just like I grew up around drill presses and TIG welders and chainsaws. It was a tool not a fetish.
My die-hard Republican gun owning grandfather (RIP) would not even recognize today’s NRA or GOP.Know of a pair of Fischer Ranger 107Ti 189s (new or used) for sale? PM me.
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06-06-2022, 03:10 PM #1979
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06-06-2022, 03:16 PM #1980
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06-06-2022, 03:19 PM #1981
You are spot on. Because I was participating in this thread, I was processing on this today. About how my life experience and the realities of a shifting world changed my view.
When I was in my 20s, I was for sure more in the 'everyman should learn marksmanship and gun handling' mindset. Being able to protect yourself thru these means was deemed sensible. Honestly, I didn't know shit and, get this... I even belonged to the NRA. First shop I purchased from...(they're always run by Dale Gribble aka Rusty Shakleford).. sold me on that. I remember '5% off your purchase plus they give you insurance'. Sold! Lol - 1 year of embarrassing propaganda begging for money put me off that train forever. Anyway.... mostly target shooting with friends in the woods. The protection aspect never really came to pass....
So I was just recounting... I'm at 50 years. Other than shits n grins while target shooting... I can't think of a personal situation where a gun present was a benefit. Then, I started down memory lane where a fire arm being present made a situation worse
Careless & dangerous handling from others at the range, in the woods, in public - reckless complacency
Drunk ppl being reckless / cavalier while armed
People shooting across trails I was on
People shooting overhead without a backstop or otherwise careless - unconcerned about ppl present
Credible threat to be shot
Someone brandishing in a threatening manner
Domestic violence with partner trying to gain access to weapons
Confrontations escalated with a firearm - threatening & even discharges!
Generally odd encounters with armed people
Gun Suicides
That's a lot of life experience negatives without meaningful positives to justify their place in our society. That over 40 & 50 thing is important here in the conversations; I think most of us at that age stop over considering 'getting ours' and lean into reconciling our life experiences in the hopes of bettering the world for others.
Edit: I almost forgot this one somehow. In highschool, a kid took a class hostage with a rifle until one of the teachers wrestled it away from him. It was big news at the time, no one hurt but prescient to were we are now.Last edited by CarlMega; 06-06-2022 at 04:45 PM.
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06-06-2022, 03:28 PM #1982Registered User
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06-06-2022, 04:31 PM #1984
Well, my FIL was an NRA card carrying member for many, many years. He gave that up at least 15 years ago. He recognized that the NRA has turned into a gun lobbying group that is focused more on spending money on Wayne and his wife than on actually promoting gun safety.
The NRA and the Republican party is about sowing fear and paranoia. Besides, there best sales years are when a Dem POTUS & Dem House are in charge. Nothing like spouting how the Dems are going to take your guns away to sell guns and ammo."We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch
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06-06-2022, 04:58 PM #1985
You’re making an argument for banning people not firearms. I can get behind that idea
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06-06-2022, 07:28 PM #1986
This thread and others like it are representative of the fact that the real reason the GQP and NRA don't want to even discuss reform or even general principles is because all they have is antiquated talking points and circular logic rhetoric. Any legit 2 sided debate is doomed because the facts and evidence (even though they obstruct collecting that evidence as much as possible) overwhelmingly support common sense gun regulation. Every other first world nation with NATIONAL border enforced gun control and sever penalties for all violations is vastly safer than ours.. Guns are more dangerous for the owner and everyone else around them (like cigarettes) and just make the owner feel safer.. But in fact they're more likely to shoot themselves or intentionally or accidentally harm a close friend or relative than any bad guy..
Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!
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06-06-2022, 07:54 PM #1987
^^ yes.
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06-06-2022, 07:57 PM #1988
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06-07-2022, 07:33 AM #1990Rope->Dope
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06-07-2022, 07:36 AM #1991
Why don't we just reinstate the draft. People would have "a job," get to learn valuable life lessons, maybe learn some work ethic, get to visit fun places, and learn gun safety.
In order to properly convert this thread to a polyasshat thread to more fully enrage the liberal left frequenting here...... (insert latest democratic blunder of your choice).
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06-07-2022, 07:38 AM #1992
when everybody’s kids in the army, everybody’s gonna be less interested in going to war.
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06-07-2022, 08:19 AM #1993
+2 Toast fucking nailed it. The vast majority of people I knew (I use past tense purposely) spouting/regurgitating right-wing, gun nut, conspiracy theory shitspeak are:
- small town folks who never left.
- people that had very little experience outside of their tiny group of friends and family.
- people who weren't well travelled.“I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different.”
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06-07-2022, 10:34 AM #1994
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06-07-2022, 11:43 AM #1996User
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06-07-2022, 12:32 PM #2000
If only there was something we could do...
Every time this happens and people are willing to give something the same thing happens.
Instead of focusing on banning assault weapons, or fixing the loopholes in current laws, or maybe write some good new ones, it gets political.
People in positions of power start making really dumb comments, like banning 9mm handguns. And The guy who was willing to give up his AR says to himself “this clown is talking out of his ass, and who knows what the hell the bill finally look like”?
I’m for a lot of changes, I recently explained to a small gun shop owner near me and he reminded me we are arresting felons in possession of guns in St. Louis everyday, and we’re letting them out of jail in 2 weeks.
I think people need to realize, we can write whatever law makes you feel good, but it means shit without enforcement. And that means real $$$. More cops, or you won’t have daily crime investigated, more prisons, etc. it would be gargantuan effort to get control of the crisis. And lots of $$$
Just Limiting new sales is a pathetic joke.
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