If only there was something we could do...

[TBS]

^^^Rockies are very safe when it comes to getting shot/killed by someone else
But has an incredibly high rate of suicide by gun...except for Mormon areas


https://www.nationhoodlab.org/the-ge...-gun-violence/

[SumJongGuy]

^^^Seems to correlate strongly to stupidity, bigotry, and never getting laid..

[nickwm21]

Gun mortality rate

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[leroy jenkins]

^^^Seems to correlate strongly to stupidity, bigotry, and never getting laid..

No, its basically population density. Seems like when people snap in higher population density areas they kill others and maybe themselves, while in rural areas they just off themselves. This was actually a topic of study in a college sociology class I took.

[byates1]

Give me a sec, I'm going to post a couple maps that reinforce my opinions..

[leroy jenkins]

Gun mortality rate

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Sorted by totals, down the the 1000 annual mark

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2a Texans pointing to Chicago is literally the pointing Spidermen Meme

Not separating stats for murder or just suicide is deliberately misconstruing reality.

[leroy jenkins]

This no compromise tribal strategy is mindless self-harm to our society.
We can expect no responsible action from gun nuts. It’s just par for the course for the firearms’ tribe to perform further suicide.

Do you view the responsibility and necessity for compromise and forming of unity to fall only on the shoulders of those you disagree with? Or is any of it your responsibility as well?

If the 'other side' are always the crazy ones, you're a part of that unproductive division as well.

[leroy jenkins]

Mass/school/tragic murders by gun are not going to be reduced any time soon because the reality is there is "NOTHING WE CAN DO". And since there is nothing we can do we will continue to do nothing.

You're twice as likely to get struck by lightning as die in a school shooting.

[bennymac]

Give me a sec, I'm going to post a couple maps that reinforce my opinions..

versus anecdotal stories that reinforce one’s opinion

[Ted Striker]

Not separating stats for murder or just suicide is deliberately misconstruing reality.

The reality is they were killed by guns.

[Peruvian]

You're twice as likely to get struck by lightning as die in a school shooting.

Two kids killed by lighting in 2022 - https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning_fatalities22

1,676 kids killed by guns in 2002 - https://www.verifythis.com/article/n...f-b5e3e47aa639

Can't wait for the whataboutism reply.....

[Ted Striker]

Give me a sec, I'm going to post a couple maps that reinforce my opinions..

I know you're trolling, but they aren't just, my, opinion, man. They show what they show.

[skaredshtles]

Two kids killed by lighting in 2022 - https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning_fatalities22

Have we tried banning lightning? Will no one think of the children?!?

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Pretending that any of these sources ignore the statistical makeup that creates this mortality rate is deliberately misconstruing reality.
You are welcome to your opinion that they should be separated and dealt with separately. But the professional public health community doesn't agree with your position.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Have we tried banning lightning? Will no one think of the children?!?

Hey fucktard, you were wrong. Why not admit it? That would help people to understand that you’re reasonable and we can have a constructive dialogue.

Apologies, that was meant for LeRoi

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[bennymac]

Leroy still hasn’t explained his “the US is no different than any other country when it comes to gun violence” statement - so engaging him in the conversation he claims he wants to have is foolish. You can’t reason with someone who didn’t use reason themselves to form their ideas and opinions.

[skaredshtles]

Hey fucktard, you were wrong. Why not admit it? That would help people to understand that you’re reasonable and we can have a constructive dialogue.

Apologies, that was meant for LeRoi

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[oldnew_guy]

Do you view the responsibility and necessity for compromise and forming of unity to fall only on the shoulders of those you disagree with? Or is any of it your responsibility as well?

If the 'other side' are always the crazy ones, you're a part of that unproductive division as well.

You keep saying "unity" like it is some magic wand that can be waved.

As shown earlier, on a number of gun control issues, a large percentage seems to support some very basic policies like universal background checks. So why are you standing in the way of completing the unity on this topic?

Gun control advocates are not the ones with the absolutist positions on this issue.

[californiagrown]

Gun control advocates are not the ones with the absolutist positions on this issue.

The reason for this, and in general conservatives typically be absolutists on policy debate is that by definition any compromise that a conservative makes is a loss, while a compromise is still a win for a progressive. Conservatives are attempting to conserve the way it is/was- to meet in the middle means moving further away from their stated goal. A progressive meeting in the middle is still moving towards their goal.

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The reason for this, and in general conservatives typically be absolutists on policy debate is that by definition any compromise that a conservative makes is a loss, while a compromise is still a win for a progressive. Conservatives are attempting to conserve the way it is/was- to meet in the middle means moving further away from their stated goal. A progressive meeting in the middle is still moving towards their goal.

It's not just conservatives who have adopted the no-compromise messaging strategy.
The environmental lobby is upset at Biden for agreeing to Manchin's bill for oil/gas projects to move forward in order to secure assistance toward Biden's environmental goals.

Zero compromise is why we can't get anything done anymore. Purity testing everything.

I give Biden credit for dealing with the criticism and pursuing compromise. Manchin too.


That said, I see no particular reason why the middle should negotiate with the extreme.

[Ted Striker]

Leroy still hasn’t explained his “the US is no different than any other country when it comes to gun violence” statement - so engaging him in the conversation he claims he wants to have is foolish. You can’t reason with someone who didn’t use reason themselves to form their ideas and opinions.

That's straight up SOP. Change the argument to some strawman / red herring / technical minutiae that fit their preconceptions so they can regurgitate talking points and other spurious logic.

They don't want to answer "what's different about America?" because they have no answer.

[SumJongGuy]

Not separating stats for murder or just suicide is deliberately misconstruing reality.

Quite the opposite since the vast majority of gun deaths are suicides. Only showing murders greatly undercounts the mortality of being around guns.

[Meadow Skipper]

You can’t reason with someone who didn’t use reason themselves to form their ideas and opinions.

Gun control advocates are not the ones with the absolutist positions on this issue.

It's That said, I see no particular reason why the middle should negotiate with the extreme.

They don't want to answer "what's different about America?" because they have no answer.

QFT

[TBS]

So why do y’all keep responding to Leroy?
Do ya think you’re so eloquent you’re gonna change his mind?
Each time he posts, about five others remind him of his mental deficiency.
Thereby sending trillions if not quadrillions of electrons on a fruitless journey.

Won’t someone think of the electrons!!!???

[m2711c]

gotta have fruit on your journey...