View Poll Results: What should we do?
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Nothing, Cat is out of the bag and this is the cost of our "freedom"
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Prison Time for gun owners who lose or have their gun stolen
30 19.23% -
Background checks and a waiting period for 100% of transactions
119 76.28% -
No semiautomatic anythings...
60 38.46% -
Tax gun sales with additional fee to go to mental health
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Register ALL firearms and require insurance (car analogy)
101 64.74%
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05-25-2022, 08:00 PM #426
Thats cherry picking monday morning quarterback style.
I would agree that perhaps more maturity is beneficial...but you can't put a number on that. For example...some 8 yr olds can have the mental capacity or moral fortitude to handle a gun properly while a 56 yr old can got postal. It does seems strange that an 18yr old can have a gun, but can't drink! A 13 yr old can have an abortion, but can't buy cigarettes? Random stabs at trying to satisfy political movements.
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05-25-2022, 08:10 PM #427Registered User
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As someone who likes to shoot and sees the AR platform as a pretty good target-and-hunting rifle (with an appropriately small magazine for the latter), I could absolutely support making all semi auto rifles with detachable magazines or clips Class 3. However, I don't believe it would hold up under current constitutional law. Attempting to change that law is technically possible but not in the current political environment, and if there was any major move towards revising the second amendment, it would probably fracture the country even worse.
If revising the second amendment were possible, the rational solution would be to do so and implement an Australian-style buyback program along with strict regulations on anything semi auto (not just "assault weapons").
Waiting periods for additional gun purchases are seriously problematic in the "crap, I broke my gun during deer/duck/whatever" season, especially if you're planning a big trip because that's your thing. Think about how you'd feel if you had a big ski trip planned, broke your skis, and had to wait 5 days (let alone 10 or 14) to replace them. For that reason, I think that subsequent purchases of the same class of weapon shouldn't be subject to the same waiting provisions that an initial purchase may reasonably be.
Just my two cents. Unfortunately, we're nowhere near being willing to accept a rational response.
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05-25-2022, 08:13 PM #428
Shit can get fixed, that’s why it’s a platform right?
and it’s the current interpretation of law
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05-25-2022, 08:14 PM #429
If only there was something we could do...
Honestly I think that increasing the age limit for purchasing guns and ammo is a good one. Or maybe it’s more gun education up to a certain age. I’m no expert but often read that the adolescent brain isn’t fully developed until age 24 or 25. It seems a lot of these shootings are done by males in that age group. (under 25ish). I know they’re adults at 18, so that’s a challenging idea to have catch on.
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05-25-2022, 08:18 PM #430
NFA/class 3 discussion was pertaining to ar15 ak style guns. Not hunting rifles. I personally possess both types of fire arms and NFA/class 3. I have a shotgun from 1929, shoots great. Guns don’t break very easily. I’d have zero problem waiting a month for a hunting rifle. Absolutely nobody needs to be able to walk out of a store with a gun less than 30 minutes. Last time I bought a fire arm in Utah it took about 15 minutes.
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05-25-2022, 08:19 PM #431
They’re not killing eachother in mass in downtown St Louis with Daniel Defense AR’s.
What’s everyone’s plan for that?
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05-25-2022, 08:21 PM #432
This dude seems high strung, but absolute grade A rant:
What we have here is an intelligence failure. You may be familiar with staring directly at that when shaving. .
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05-25-2022, 08:32 PM #433
what fantastic values did we teach nineteen ten year olds who were two weeks from Summer Vacation ?
' is it worth trying!? '
would it be worth trying if if was your ten year old ?
There is a short post now far up-thread that says simply,
'This is the cost for living in a gun culture. Nothing will change. nothing new. '
This morning I was upset; tonight I am resigned.
Hate is a plague - bigotry. racism.
I don't believe it was a 'war on terror' -
terror was what they were selling and the media was complicit.
I have spent the last thirty years trying to teach kids Good values - that we do the right thing., Good works., and that we take care of each other.
is it worth trying!?
That part of my Judgement day, I can face -
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I have not forgotten them. ... ' ( J.Browne )
good luck. good night... tj
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05-25-2022, 08:35 PM #434Registered User
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I would've thought, but a guy I know from motorcycling--who, for what it's worth, is decidedly not a GOP member had an issue with his primary duck gun (not even an AR) and couldn't get the parts he needed until after his long-planned trip was underway. He happened to have a backup gun, but he made a pretty good case in terms of significant waiting periods presenting very real issues for uses (hunting) that most people don't take issue with.
Another guy I know went to do a final sight in the day before leaving for deer camp and realized the powered scope on his AR wasn't working (which he had been planning to use as his deer rifle, with an appropriate magazine). Again, he happened to have another rifle that was good to go, but if he hadn't and couldn't get the AR scope going, being able to walk into an outdoors store in just-West-of-nowhere and walk out with a functional rifle would've saved the trip.
Now, if you want to talk about the right-wing resistance to using modern tech to improve background checks, that's another angle that could easily help differentiate between someone who has previously been cleared and someone who has not.
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05-25-2022, 08:36 PM #435
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05-25-2022, 08:37 PM #437
^^^^
That’s exactly how I felt last night and this morning. The GQP has zero desire to govern. They’ve said it out loud time and after time. When someone tells you who they are believe it. They only care about power and tax cuts for the rich, they pick off single issue voters with guns, abortion, racism, etc. and they’re fucking fascist who want to destroy democracy in the USA.
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05-25-2022, 08:44 PM #438
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05-25-2022, 08:47 PM #439
If only there was something we could do...
When people elect politicians to run government that don’t actually believe in government you get a shitty government
Republican voters have conditioned the GQP. The Democratic Party has conditioned its voters that nothing can be done about anything.
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05-25-2022, 09:02 PM #440Registered User
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Probably paywalled but I encourage those with access, wherever you stand on this issue, to read this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/o...e=articleShare
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05-25-2022, 09:08 PM #441Registered User
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Way back machine version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20220526...e=articleShare
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05-25-2022, 09:08 PM #442
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05-25-2022, 09:11 PM #443
I went to a gun show in Missoula a few years back. At the university fieldhouse,, so lots of people, lots of tables. Capitalism in action, lots of sellers so prices were reasonable. Except one seller. He had 3 tables and a huge sign “No Background Check”. His prices were double to triple what the other sellers were charging. And his customers really stood out. Neck tattoos, teardrop tattoos, very rough looking crowd, and there was a line to get up to him.
He did not have a FFL, so no background check needed. And these criminals knew it and were very willing to pay significantly extra for it. Why the Republican Party supports this is beyond me.
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05-25-2022, 09:13 PM #444
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05-25-2022, 09:16 PM #445
It's remarkable how fast the "too many doors" talking point spread. I'm seeing it everywhere. Fewer entrances kinda seems like it might make sense but fewer exits sounds like a uniquely horrible idea.
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05-25-2022, 09:18 PM #446
Honestly, part of the problem is that most liberals don’t know wtf they are talking about. It scares people away from coming to the table when they use language suggesting they don’t know a muzzle from a butt stock.
If I’m going to suggest putting a catalytic converters on a car, then I should spend the time to learn wtf that is. The result is we have a joke book of laws right now that allow so many loopholes.
We need a nationwide ban. Anyone saying 10 rounds is ok in a pistol and not 15, is not taking the higher ground. Most Democratic law makers would not vote for any meaningful change either.
Meanwhile we can give our selves medals for morality.
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05-25-2022, 09:19 PM #447
Why the ... Party supports this is two-fold -
Money. And votes.
tj
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05-25-2022, 09:38 PM #448
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Just to cherry pick one of the worst suggestions: you can't use the no fly list to restrict access to a constitutional right, because there's no due process involved.
I'd also argue against misdemeanor drug and alcohol convictions being disqualifying for much of anything.
Some of the other suggestions--including red-flag laws--make a lot of sense if implemented properly (there has to be a relatively high standard for due process when constitutional rights are involved, and the right to bear arms is, and will be for the foreseeable future, one of those rights).
I struggle with the right answer for plans to assemble guns at home (or the local stash house). Current laws are rightfully harsh for those possessing weapons who are banned from doing so, but enforcement is often reactive at best. The idea of making it illegal to traffic in information on how to build firearms seems to trample a couple of amendments at once, and the concept of where a part ends and a gun begins is currently problematic and damn hard to answer well.
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05-25-2022, 09:41 PM #450
If only there was something we could do...
exactly. Just spent the last hour with my middle schooler as he wanted to review all possible intruder scenarios at his school and what he’d do. Many of his classes have exit doors nearby and that’s the best way to get out of the school. He slept on my bedroom floor last night. He probably won’t sleep tonight as he overthinks all his scenarios. And worries about his teachers who he thinks aren’t fast enough runners. And then he asked what about the office people? He’s a worrier and it sucks all around.
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