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Thread: Student Loan Forgiveness
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05-03-2022, 06:46 AM #226
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05-03-2022, 06:55 AM #227
Don't forget how he completely ignores current data (cite: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...ividing-lines/)
White non-college is +32 R. It's not the base. Let's get back to real discussions now.
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05-03-2022, 07:19 AM #228Registered User
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I"m just checking in to say I went to college for a little bit to study acting and get my bfa it was fun and rewarding until it wasn't first day of class they said only three of the twenty of us would actually graduate you could smell blood from that day on I just upped my recreational drug use after that day and enjoyed myself had much more real world experience than most of my fellow students at that point in life so I wasn't too worried but yeah came home from "school" after putting a full twelve hour day in and realized I'm done with listening to some teacher tell me how it is and moved to summit county
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05-03-2022, 07:22 AM #229I drink it up
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I don’t think that’s really true for most individuals, even if it’s true for groups. Speaking for myself and for makerstelemark, I’m here to see different points of view and I’m honestly more interested in the philosophical discussion, as it’s supported by the facts and numbers, rather than strictly facts and numbers.
focus.
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05-03-2022, 07:32 AM #230
I like how everyone calls for more trade schooling but assumes that's free, too? Lots of people coming out of trade school have shit tons of debt, and while journey positions can pay well enough to pay off loans, it's hard fucking work that often destroys bodies, minds and families.
I've spent close to 30 years in the construction trades and I sure as hell do not want to see my son or daughter doing it.
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05-03-2022, 07:37 AM #231Registered User
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05-03-2022, 07:44 AM #232
If anyone should be footing the bill for these loans (aside from the borrowers themselves) its these places:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_by_endowment
Meanwhile they have some of you people arguing for the government to fleece the taxpayer to pad their numbers ever higher.
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05-03-2022, 07:47 AM #233Registered User
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Trade schools should leave the person with an immediately marketable skill. Handled well that should mean the ability to pay those loans off quickly and avoid the long term debt track should be higher. While paying that down you should be picking up some of the skills necessary to make the next step like management or ownership so that you're out of the physically abusive side sooner.
Heh, even I had more patience than that. I lasted 5 years in college 3 of them were sight distance from good skiing which was why I was there. I stayed "in college" until the family support ran out I skied 80+ days a year, went on a few GD tours, traveled all over the place on breaks, worked at restaurants for food and ski shops for gear and got to live in some great places. Unfortunately all that life experience hasn't translated to the comfy retirement many of my "more responsible" peers that stuck it out will have.
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05-03-2022, 07:55 AM #234
LOL ownership or management is less abusive..
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05-03-2022, 08:03 AM #235
I find this mindset prevalent in almost any parent. I don't think it is a huge leap to want something better than you had for your child.
For example, a portion of the Millionaire Next Door that I thought was really interesting was that the majority of millionaires are self made, and typically did so through owning a small business like an electrical or HVAC company. Yet despite this, the vast majority of them (like 80+ percent if memory serves) wished for their children to not go that route and instead become lawyers, doctors, etc, often with the parents funding their education and life until they made it. This was despite the statistical proof (let alone their individual life experience) stated elsewhere in the book that handouts like college tuition and supporting rent payments actually had a negative effect in the likelihood of that child's success.
I'm sure this says something about nature vs nuture but I find it really interesting.Live Free or Die
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05-03-2022, 08:07 AM #236
There's a new one... "different kind of happy"
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I know you're going to argue that a better public transportation system would fix that but consider the geographical differences between Yurp (generally densely populated and relatively small) to the US. Outside of the densely populated areas on the 2 coasts, public transportation can't work here.
/threaddrift
JHFC - it can work, but not with that attitude.
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05-03-2022, 08:13 AM #237
No, for vast swaths of the country it really can't. On every metric public transportation is vastly easier to implement there as opposed to here.
The population density of Europe is almost 4x that of the US. Europe has a land mass less than 50% of the US. The list goes on.Live Free or Die
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05-03-2022, 08:16 AM #238
Doctors and Lawyers, especially successful ones, are often influential small business people. Thinking they aren’t is class war bullshit.
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05-03-2022, 08:20 AM #239
What? The days of the private practice physician are over. Most physicians in most places work for corporations and large multi practice groups
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05-03-2022, 08:23 AM #240
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05-03-2022, 08:23 AM #241
Doctors have largely been turned into employees by the ACA making running a small practice too burdensome (regulatory overhead). It's the same that little practices are all getting bought by health corporations and hospitals are being bought by hospital corporations. ACA helped a lot of people, but it also was the most expensive lobbying fight in human history. The winners of that fight were most certainly NOT small businesses and entrepreneurs (that includes any independent contractor from a doctor to a drywaller). They were the losers, whether they were in healthcare or not.
Last edited by Summit; 05-03-2022 at 08:58 AM.
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05-03-2022, 08:25 AM #242
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05-03-2022, 08:31 AM #243
Time to start arguing that everyone should be ER doctors!
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05-03-2022, 08:35 AM #244
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05-03-2022, 08:43 AM #245
If you want to argue super sematically sure, it's not impossible, but the reality is the costs to connect even a small state like NH's populace via public transport are so astronomical it is impossible.
The US also has a vastly different set of rules, notably around property rights, that while at one point may have been able to be worked around in the past (ala railroads and westward expansion), at this point in the nation's history to make it regulatorily impossible as well.Live Free or Die
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05-03-2022, 08:44 AM #246
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05-03-2022, 08:46 AM #247
Student Loan Forgiveness
Horse shit
Corporatism (& the insurance industry) has changed how doctoring works as a business.
This change started long before the ACA. The ACA might have sharpened pencils, but the move to divide and specialize and micro-divide tasks both in admin and in med roles has been the money driver in medicine for many years.
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05-03-2022, 09:02 AM #248Registered User
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I have worked in construction.
No way I want my kids doing that unless it’s what they really want. I’m not talking about the management folks, I’m talking trades.
On the flip side, I’ve seen the doctor route to, seems unpleasant to me.
Fear not, looks like the millennials and those after them are statistically likely to do worse than their parents anyways.
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05-03-2022, 09:19 AM #249
So the goal of attending college is to sit in a cube doing mindless work that will be replaced by a smarter computer? All while getting fat complaining about bosses, co workers and company policies.
Well, and avoid the trades.
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05-03-2022, 09:22 AM #250Registered User
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