All Things Volkl Thread

[Benneke10]

PSA: 191 full rocker mantras for sale in slc https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...2111112l%22%7D

[Djongo Unchained]

Strong move. Like many have shared in the M102 thread, consider going forward of the rear (recommended) line on the 191, unless you are a big guy.

Hmmmm, interesting.

I'm around 5'10" and between 205 and 220 in a season. Charging the firm on these up to maybe 4-10" of fresh.
As a FOG, I never come off the reco line. Doubt I'd do that. I put a ski through it's flexing paces so I tend to steer clear of boards with multi mounts. Try to keep it to one set, so testing out fore/aft placement has rarely appealed to me.
Not set in stone tho...

[Bandit Man]

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Hmmmm, interesting.

I'm around 5'10" and between 205 and 220 in a season. Charging the firm on these up to maybe 4-10" of fresh.
As a FOG, I never come off the reco line. Doubt I'd do that. I put a ski through it's flexing paces so I tend to steer clear of boards with multi mounts. Try to keep it to one set, so testing out fore/aft placement has rarely appealed to me.
Not set in stone tho...

Keep in mind that I also have a 295-mm BSL, which may also be a factor. Mounted on the line, the 191 M102 feels like I cannot get forward enough to really get that ski to bend into a turn the way I like. First ski in a long while that felt really long in the shovel. Coincidentally, I also have a 191 K108. It has a wider shovel, but isn’t a challenging to get to bend into a turn. Same Warden 13 demos on both skis. Go figure.


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[naedward81]

Just heard that Revolt 114 is coming. Eder was on the Blister Review podcast and mentioned it, 114mm waist, directional charger. Got my rep to confirm. Must have been what the pics last winter of Mac and Eder were testing.

[Djongo Unchained]

@bandit - yeah, my bsl is 326 so that may well be a factor. I prefer to ski the shovel but use the tails pretty extensively.
I kinda felt the k108 hand flexed pretty damn stiff but expect the m102 to be a classic big mountain charger. Volkl has a long history of building skis popular with the jh locals. As stiff or more than most gs models imo.

[Shorty_J]

Just heard that Revolt 114 is coming. Eder was on the Blister Review podcast and mentioned it, 114mm waist, directional charger. Got my rep to confirm. Must have been what the pics last winter of Mac and Eder were testing.

I wouldn't call the revolt line "directional" at all... is the 114 going to have a more traditional mount point? Because the rest of the revolt line is very progressive on recommended mount point.

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[kc_7777]

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I wouldn't call the revolt line "directional" at all... is the 114 going to have a more traditional mount point? Because the rest of the revolt line is very progressive on recommended mount point.

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Ya I heard the reference to the 114 in the Eder Blister podcast. Wondering about that “directional” comment as well. The Revolt 104 and 121 getting mounted soon. Going -2cm on the 180cm 104 (-3.75cm) and -1cm on the 184cm 121 (-3.75cm). It would surprise me if a Revolt 114 was way further back than say -6cm? If so, why call it a Revolt.

Here’s hoping it’s a 181cm at -5cm!

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[naedward81]

Ya I heard the reference to the 114 in the Eder Blister podcast. Wondering about that “directional” comment as well. The Revolt 104 and 121 getting mounted soon. Going -2cm on the 180cm 104 (-3.75cm) and -1cm on the 184cm 121 (-3.75cm). It would surprise me if a Revolt 114 was way further back than say -6cm? If so, why call it a Revolt.

Here’s hoping it’s a 181cm at -5cm!

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That’s what I am hoping for.

I mounted my Revolt 121s -2.5 from rec. They skied awesome from that.

[Shorty_J]

Am I crazy or are the rocker lines deeper in the mantra/secret than the katana?

I bought my wife some secret 102 and I was just staring at them next to my katana and I swear the secret has more rocker. Less taper, similar camber, stiffer, but more rocker in the narrower ski... which is a little surprising.

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[Name Redacted]

M6 vs Mantra 102 for daily driver in CO? Rarely ski groomers, mostly tight trees and bumps and billygoating. Have other skis for deeper pow.

[Djongo Unchained]

I skied the M6 last season for 4 days in Andermatt. I loved it but felt it only had one weak spot, I wanted it to go faster.
So I bought a pair of M102's as I feel they're gonna be a tad more stable at speed.
The M6 in a 184 would be my go to for what you're talking about.
I demo'd the 191 and feel that would be overkill in the tight spots. YMMV

[J. Barron DeJong]

Am I crazy or are the rocker lines deeper in the mantra/secret than the katana?

I bought my wife some secret 102 and I was just staring at them next to my katana and I swear the secret has more rocker. Less taper, similar camber, stiffer, but more rocker in the narrower ski... which is a little surprising.

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Sooth Ski measurements say Katana has deeper rocker lines than M6 Mantra in 184s.

[Benneke10]

M6 vs Mantra 102 for daily driver in CO? Rarely ski groomers, mostly tight trees and bumps and billygoating. Have other skis for deeper pow.

I only demoed both for a couple runs apiece, but I feel like the M6 would be better for your purposes. The M102 felt a little more locked in and it was stiffer so a bit more of a handful in very tight spots. In my opinion you should consider fully rockered Volkls (M4 Mantra, 100eight, V-Werks Katana, old Katanas).

[Sylvan]

Thought these were worth sharing. Was in the middle of trying to convince the wife last night that full price VWerks Katanas were a long term value decision (thanks for the idea Benneke!), when these popped up on Marketplace. Minty 2015 (?) 191s for $500 CDN. Gentleman said his father skied them 3 times, and honestly, had he cleaned the rust off the edges from storage, he could have convinced me they'd never seen snow. Gonna pull the Jesters and mount a Duke PT 12 for Spearhead slack duty. Christmas came early.



Surprised (in a very good way) at how little splay these have. These tick all the boxes (traditional mount, 2000ish grams, 190ish length, 25m+ R), but been afraid of going reverse. No more. Amped to get on these. Thanks all for the assist.

Edit to add: 189.5 straight pull, bump @ -14, 2042/2054 grams, 25.9m R stated.

[Name Redacted]

I skied the M6 last season for 4 days in Andermatt. I loved it but felt it only had one weak spot, I wanted it to go faster.
So I bought a pair of M102's as I feel they're gonna be a tad more stable at speed.
The M6 in a 184 would be my go to for what you're talking about.
I demo'd the 191 and feel that would be overkill in the tight spots. YMMV

Nice, thanks for the input guys. I'm 6'2" and 190lbs, but I was 220 the last few seasons. Never had a hard time flexing skis, but that might be different now with my new found skinniness. I don't expect it to be a problem though. haha.

Lately I've been on some 4frnt MSP99s that are OK, but I never loved them till I beat them up a bit. Definitely want something a little burlier in the flex category. My other skis are ON3P BGs.

I guess I can't go wrong either way though.