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Thread: Trout Lake Fatality
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03-23-2022, 05:35 PM #26
Dismissive of the individual?
Here’s how it would sound to be dismissive of the individual:
‘He was completely incompetent at traveling in avy terrain as evidenced by his foolish choice to ascend such a slope in deep slab instability solo and dying’
Don’t come into the slide zone subforum discussion about avalanche accidents if you are too sensitive to separate the individuals involved from their actions. This is the reason threads are started here, not to dismiss learning by saying “he had a high risk tolerance” or “mags knew him so dont make any judgements.”
And most importantly piss off with your attempts to stifle the discussion. It wont help this guy and it certainly won’t help us.
If I screw up and die, please DO make judgements about my decisions.
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03-23-2022, 06:18 PM #27Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
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03-23-2022, 06:48 PM #28Registered User
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03-23-2022, 07:52 PM #29?
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I would suspect that he had his GoPro running
Doubt that sees the light of dayOwn your fail. ~Jer~
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03-23-2022, 07:54 PM #30
No doubt he had a gopro, but I do doubt that it was running when he was skinning up in a baselayer, nor would I really care to see what would have been on it had it been on.
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03-23-2022, 07:56 PM #31?
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I thought about it for a moment. It’s the audio that would take me down
Own your fail. ~Jer~
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03-23-2022, 08:29 PM #32powdork.com - new and improved, with 20% more dork.
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03-23-2022, 11:25 PM #33
I work in hazard mitigation. I understand risk, hazard, vulnerability, etc. maybe I framed it wrong. My view is that it’s more about complacency than a tolerance.
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03-24-2022, 02:35 AM #34Is it radix panax notoginseng? - splat
This is like hanging yourself but the rope breaks. - DTM
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03-24-2022, 02:36 AM #35
My point is, just because we have a different risk tolerance than others, even wildly different, doesn't mean we should assume they didn't understand theirs. Sure, as we get older we tend to have a different understanding (maybe better, maybe not) of the finality of death because we look at it more often. But that doesn't mean the more youthful way of looking at (or ignoring) the potential consequences is more wrong for some reason. I certainly felt different about my actions at that age than I do now. And i felt every bit, even more, strongly about it then. I was an adult of many years as was he.
He didn't die doing what he loved.
He lived doing what he loved.
There's quite a few of us here that can say that. But overall, on the planet, it's a rare thing. We should all strive for it.powdork.com - new and improved, with 20% more dork.
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03-24-2022, 02:38 AM #36
And he died a moderate death, alone.
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03-24-2022, 03:00 AM #37
Jeebus. You’re a bunch of panty waist scared old men.
Young kid dies in an avalanche. Sure, let’s discuss daily hazard and route selection.
But I don’t think he was suicidal.
He was living life. More so than you couch jockeys.
I hope my sons outlive me. But shit happens.
I’d rather they live a shorter but more satisfying life than be some cubicle dwelling bubble wrapped sheeple.. . .
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03-24-2022, 07:18 AM #38
^^ I’ll chime in a big fuck you on this one.
Calling someone who decides NOT to ski a high consequence line, solo, in mid-winter a “cubicle dwelling bubble wrapped sheeple” is fucking lame.
“Died doing what he loves” is bullshit. Skiing is amazing. I, like many of you, have made plenty of sacrifices to ski pow and it has certainly changed the trajectory of my life.
But it’s also a selfish pursuit that does nothing to improve your community or the world around you.
I’ve been bc ski touring for 25 years and I’m quite certain that I will continue to do so for another 25.
I’m sure he was a great dude and and certainly got after it. But “shit happens”?
Seriously? You’re lame.
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03-24-2022, 08:06 AM #39
Yanow
A decade ago a dude died inbounds in toilet bowl
Wearing a beacon.
Shit does happen. Even with patrol mitigation efforts.
I was just saying the dude didn’t have a deathwish.
Yeah. He rode solo. That’s violating rule one of backcountry.
But it’s who he was and how he lived.
Can we talk about the forecast before he went?
Known instabilities?
That makes more sense in the slide zone forum.. . .
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03-24-2022, 08:12 AM #40
There’s a persistent slab that’s been plaguing the San Juan’s since we started getting snow again in late-February. Everyone knew it.
And I’m not sure if “that makes more sense in the slide zone”…as decision-making and human-factor discussions are just as valuable (or more so).
I just don’t understand why you’d call everyone not taking (clearly) unnecessary risks a bunch of pussies.
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03-24-2022, 08:37 AM #41Rope->Dope
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Riding solo is violating "rule one" of backcountry travel? I don't think so. Terrain management, terrain management, terrain management!
There are several accidents with momentary lapses in judgement, isolated features sliding, or bad luck that you could chalk up as "shit happens". This accident is not one of them.
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03-24-2022, 08:41 AM #42
Well. Yes. Correct.
But so many people rage against solo backcountry travel that my brain farted out the default response. Beacons mean nothing without partners.
I’m not here for a fight. RIP to what seems like a pretty chill dude and awesome rider.
As for shit happens. It’s one thing to meadow skip.
That line he was riding was not a walk in the woods.
Yes. Terrain.
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03-24-2022, 08:54 AM #43
Doesn’t sound like he was riding the line. Sounds like he was climbing or in transition. I’m not comfortable climbing consequential terrain with lots of objective hazard.
Terrain appropriate for the conditions is my mantra
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03-24-2022, 09:59 AM #44
As an ER nurse I think I'm going to call a Drama Activation here. So looking at this image where do you think the rider was when the avi broke? The yellow X? presuming the red circle is the burial there doesn't seem to be an up track to the yellow X? "All of the fatal avalanche accidents we investigate are tragic events" CAIC
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03-24-2022, 10:03 AM #45Registered User
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03-24-2022, 10:04 AM #46guy who skis
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Some of the risk tolerance stuff reminded me of the Solving for Z film, as well as Z's interview at Totally Deep. Z argues that there is big difference between someone who dies in a slide because they don't understand the dangers (the snowshoers who died on Hoosier this winter come to mind) vs. someone who has decided they want to ski big lines midwinter and are willing to die for that pursuit.
I didn't know Devin, so I don't know where he fell on that spectrum, but I think the spectrum ties in with some of these discussions.
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03-24-2022, 10:23 AM #47Registered User
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You are here to annoy and piss people off here, so fuck off. you live in the midwest or out east somewhere and you are telling us how much we out west are posers and don't manage risk every day????- you are such a clown. If you actually read the ski threads you'd see some people here get out A LOT. And that we've had A LOT of freinds die doing this. but you don't read anything here because you don't give a shit, you just post your shit to hear yourself talk. Or you have some mental issue I can't pin.
"As for shit happens. It’s one thing to meadow skip.
That line he was riding was not a walk in the woods.
Yes. Terrain."
No shit sherlock - pipe down and let the adults talk about this and try to learn. God damn you are the worst.
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03-24-2022, 10:41 AM #48
Yep but no gps tracks near the yellow X.
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03-24-2022, 10:45 AM #49
I lol’d
Core Shot lives in the flatlands?
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