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03-11-2022, 10:19 AM #51
DWR sucks all around these days due to industry goals to be more “environmentally friendly”. AFAIK there is nothing to be done here other than very regular washing with proper cleaning agents, reapplication of your wimpy dwr product of choice and machine drying to activate the chemical.
That said the waterproof breathable membrane is the key for staying dry in wet environments and under exertion. 20/20 is ideal if you’re a fat sweaty bulldog like me. You’ll find varying degrees of durability with these highly breathable 3L fabrics with most of them being a little less durable than 2L heavy duty stuff.
I wash my heavily used gore text at least once per month and more often if I’m hiking around a lot in it. Fwiw when I’m touring, I avoid gore Tex and use schoeller pants.
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03-11-2022, 10:40 AM #52
Interesting. Guess I’ll do a test wash with these old bibs now and see how they fare. And I was joking about smelling - if they did stink I’d wash em immediately but like I said everything here dries in minutes. And trust me I know stink - been playing hockey for 25 years.
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03-11-2022, 10:42 AM #53
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03-11-2022, 10:45 AM #54King potato
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Hasn’t Micol taught us not to wash? Everyone has a different way of doing this stuff, I wish the actual fabric manufacturers would just say
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03-11-2022, 10:47 AM #55
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03-11-2022, 10:59 AM #57
Re: Flylow. Like I mentioned up thread, my Bakers from a couple years ago were complete shit for durability. But my wife had the non-bib version of Bakers about 10 years ago - those things were bomber. Although the DWR sucked on them and they wetted out easily. So yeah, I think Flylow's durability / quality has just gone downhill.
Re: fit on Norrona. Some people are calling them a Euro fit. I don't see that at all, at least on the Tamok. Mine (medium, for my 5'9" 160 lbs) fit just a little snugger than the Bakers or Trewth bibs (both of which were fairly baggy on me). I had some Mammut bibs that were definitely Euro fit, and the Norronas aren't even close to that snug.
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03-11-2022, 11:03 AM #58I drink it up
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Bibs.....again
Not sure if serious…. But I warrantied my first pair of Norrona directly through Gore because they were delaminating, and the guy who handled my claim told me to wash with normal, basic detergent, skip any fabric softener, and dry on MEDIUM heat whenever they get wet or damp to avoid delaminating and keep them as waterproof as possible.
And he was kind of a dick about it.
https://www.gore-tex.com/support/care/outerwear
CORRECTION to high/medium. To be clear, I was specifically told by the dude to dry on high heat and that’s been my practice and my stupid narrow stance has led to ragged cuffs and that’s the only reason my 10 year old pair of bibs is nearing retirement.focus.
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03-11-2022, 11:06 AM #59
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03-11-2022, 11:11 AM #60Registered User
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Fixing your own gear ^^ but if you are not gona wash them anyhow just walk all over them cuffs fuck em up and thro away when you can't stand your selfLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-11-2022, 11:12 AM #61I drink it up
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yeah IME sometimes the seam tape will come unstuck so I try not to leave a piece in for too long
it was the heat glued Patagucci but I had a soft shell come out of the dryer with the seam across the shoulders completely let go, a hole big enough to put yer head thru
IME with drysuits repair some gortex is real shit ( any thing made by Mustang )and some is really good ( we got kokatat that is still water proof after 10 years )
we don't wash or dry dry suits cuz too many of them and the dryer melts the latex sealsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-11-2022, 11:16 AM #63
Update: Jacket and bibs are in the wash with Nikwash.
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I just wash with detergent and then run a cycle with only water to get all the detergent out
I only use spray on DWR, it comes in water based or solvent based, Big Steve used to claim solvent base was much better but i found that inconclusive
But I am pretty sure all the water based spray-on is the same stuff, I ran out of product so I did half a Arcterxy Beta in grangers and half in revivex, water repelency was about the same after 9 monthsLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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Bibs.....again
Huh.
303 Fabric Guard - 32oz (30606) https://www.walmart.com/ip/45626487
https://www.303products.com.au/produ...e-fabric-guard
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03-11-2022, 02:16 PM #71Registered User
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303 has always been the space age protectant, which i have been using for years by the gallon, I think they used it on the rubber seals on the space shuttle or sft
it looks like maybe they branched out into a solvent based DWR ?
I havent used that 303 and i don't think i would use it on latexLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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03-11-2022, 03:26 PM #72
Has anyone tried these guys for repairs?
They run a laundry service as well
https://rainypass.com/services/Aggressive in my own mind
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03-11-2022, 03:37 PM #73
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