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06-12-2022, 02:22 PM #8176
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06-12-2022, 06:04 PM #8177
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06-12-2022, 07:37 PM #8178Rod9301
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What are these people thinking?
Poland's European Parliament Deputy and former Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski suggested that the West give nukes to Kiev. "The West has the right to give Ukraine nuclear warheads so that it can protect its independence," Sikorski said according to regional sources.
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06-12-2022, 08:24 PM #8179
Politicians say stupid shit all the time.
That doesn’t make it policy.
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06-12-2022, 08:46 PM #8180Rod9301
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I know, but still, this is really stupid
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06-12-2022, 09:28 PM #8181man of ice
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Did ya hear the one about the Polish politician?
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06-12-2022, 10:22 PM #8182
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06-12-2022, 11:08 PM #8183
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06-12-2022, 11:22 PM #8184
That's one approach. Putting Ukraine in NATO sure seems safer for all involved. And doesn't make a case for nuclear proliferation at the same time.
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06-13-2022, 12:08 AM #8185
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06-13-2022, 08:00 AM #8186
Looks like the Russians finally took Severodonetsk. Ukraine is running low on ammo for its Soviet equipment and don’t yet have enough NATO equipment. This change over seems pretty critical.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...-live-updates/
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06-13-2022, 09:09 AM #8187
There's got to be Ukrainian nuclear scientists from the good old USSR days that know how to build a nuke. They just need to get their hands on some fissile material. Probably doable with some corrupt Russians, or even some dual Ukrainian/Russian citizens on the DL obtaining enough to make a nuke or two.
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06-13-2022, 10:05 AM #8188
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06-13-2022, 01:19 PM #8189
Right you are. The biggest long term effect of this may be cementing the idea that nations cannot be trusted beyond what they can be forced to do, and therefore every little country needs its own nukes. The violation of Russia's promise to respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty will always stand as evidence for that and the only viable counterargument is that a nation without nukes can be protected under the umbrella of another nation or alliance--if that other nation or alliance can be trusted to act.
This is why you don't turn a blind eye to illegally holding back aid and thus weakening our apparent commitment: that invites war.
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06-13-2022, 03:30 PM #8190Rod9301
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So far this year, India has now imported five times the amount of all the Russian crude it bought in the whole of 2021.
China, however, overtook Germany as the largest importer of Russian crude oil anywhere in the world.
Russia is likely getting more revenues from oil and gas now than before the war in Ukraine.
I still maintain that, at least for oil and gas, the sanctions are hurting us more than Russia.
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06-13-2022, 03:58 PM #8191
...ignoring...
Aim for the chopping block. If you aim for the wood, you will have nothing. Aim past the wood, aim through the wood.
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06-13-2022, 04:00 PM #8192Rod9301
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Of course feel free to ignore me, but i wonder why. Do you disagree with the data?
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06-13-2022, 04:04 PM #8193
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06-13-2022, 04:08 PM #8194
We’ve all been on borrowed time since 1945.
Hate to tell you guys.
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06-13-2022, 04:12 PM #8195
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06-14-2022, 08:13 AM #8196
Lots of purported German reddit/twitter users so butthurt over the times op-ed calling out Germany both not being generous and for dragging their feet on the promised aid.
https://www.statista.com/chart/27331...o-ukraine-aid/
https://www.statista.com/chart/27278...ne-by-country/
facts don't look like they're on their side and they are threatening to drop support over the criticism because they've suffered, as if the families that won't see fathers return from the front and the countless raped women have not.
disapointing.j'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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06-14-2022, 11:17 AM #8197
Trolls brah
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06-14-2022, 12:46 PM #8198
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06-14-2022, 02:32 PM #8199
Not a single heavy weapon has been supplied by Germany so far. Germany is also blocking other countries from sending their own German built heavy weapons.
The reasons appear to be multifaceted. Schulz for example was booed by his own supporters at a rally for saying Germans need to do more. It also seems like Putin's blackmail is having a major impact too. A nightmare scenario for Germany is seeing Russia cut gas supplies next winter.
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06-14-2022, 03:51 PM #8200
Let’s get the other 90% of the promised weapons to Ukraine.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/14/7352455/j'ai des grands instants de lucididididididididi
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