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    Canít be a positive. Seems like a back door move to escalate things. Lots of options for false flags

    https://apple.news/ABAhXJQiCRkiEy_jr0EcO3w

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    Quote Originally Posted by alive View Post
    Can’t be a positive. Seems like a back door move to escalate things. Lots of options for false flags

    https://apple.news/ABAhXJQiCRkiEy_jr0EcO3w





    It's not going to age well after Lukashenko gets deposed in a popular democratic uprising...or shoots his eye out with one of those things!

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    Ukraine

    BDA from the first HIMARS strikes are promising.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alive View Post
    Canít be a positive. Seems like a back door move to escalate things. Lots of options for false flags

    https://apple.news/ABAhXJQiCRkiEy_jr0EcO3w
    Belarus has had nuclear capable missiles since the dissolution of the USSR, but they had the older less accurate Tochka (Ukraine has a few tochka too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny_kid View Post
    BDA from the first HIMARS strikes are quiet positive


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    Did they light up a 40-mile ammo convoy?

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    For anyone desiring to help the Ukrainian cause:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukra...ops-2022-6?amp
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    Looks like there are some guys offering up pics too,
    If that’s your jam

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    Russian ammo dump cooks off following missile strike (Things go cray-cray starting about 3:45).

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    A spokesman for Putin has announced that London will be the first city bombed in the event of WWIII.

    So basically we've got a hostage situation here. Either we risk the lives of the entire planet or we sacrifice Ukraine. I don't really see a way out of this situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    A spokesman for Putin has announced that London will be the first city bombed in the event of WWIII.

    So basically we've got a hostage situation here. Either we risk the lives of the entire planet or we sacrifice Ukraine first, and then risk the lives of the entire planet. I don't really see a way out of this situation.
    FIFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Looks like there are some guys offering up pics too,
    If thatís your jam
    People are donating to have messages written on various artillery shells, buying drones and equipment for Ukrainian fighters. I guess only fans is another way to do it. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    A spokesman for Putin has announced that London will be the first city bombed in the event of WWIII.

    So basically we've got a hostage situation here. Either we risk the lives of the entire planet or we sacrifice Ukraine. I don't really see a way out of this situation.
    They are gonna bomb half their own kids knowing that's where so many live?
    I think a "LOL" is appropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    A spokesman for Putin has announced that London will be the first city bombed in the event of WWIII.

    So basically we've got a hostage situation here. Either we risk the lives of the entire planet or we sacrifice Ukraine. I don't really see a way out of this situation.
    more arms to Ukraine is the way out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KQ View Post
    A spokesman for Putin has announced that London will be the first city bombed in the event of WWIII.

    So basically we've got a hostage situation here. Either we risk the lives of the entire planet or we sacrifice Ukraine. I don't really see a way out of this situation.
    Well, London is going to have to take one for the team. Thanks Mates, you're the governuh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    FIFY
    Yeah. I know. Kinda like Chamberlain giving Hitler the Sudetenland which of course proved to not be enough. It's never enough for people of that ilk.
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    I like this article in the latest Foreign Affairs magazine- it looks at the Soviet collapse in 1993 to contemplate Russia’s and Putin's future:

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...-putin-survive

    Here’s a little of it:

    Can Putin Survive?

    Still, even a much weaker Russia is not destined to suffer a Soviet Union–style breakup. National separatism is not nearly as much of a threat to present-day Russia, where roughly 80 percent of the country’s citizens consider themselves to be ethnic Russians, as it was to the Soviet Union. Moscow’s strong repressive institutions could also ensure that Russia does not experience regime change, or at least not the same kind of regime change that took place in 1991. And Russians, even if they turn against the war, would probably not go on another rampage to destroy their own state.

    The West should nonetheless stay the course.


    I found the article instructive, as it provided some k00l insights. It points out the stark differences between the USSR of 1991-1993 and Putin's current situation. The author does a good job of highlighting effective measures Putin has taken to prevent exactly this sort of collapse -- something he did deliberately and, apparently, with considerable foresight.

    The author's conclusion is that Russia will not break hard, and that we will likely have to deal with an increasingly embattled and feisty Putin for some years to come. So, analogue to the breakup of the USSR really isn’t warranted. Maybe instead, we’ll be seeing Rootin’ Putin’s decline and eventual fall a la other notable tyrants (e.g., Saddam Hussein).

    This also appears to be the conclusion reached by the G7 yesterday when issued a pretty expansive and forward-looking statement. They seem to have read the problem far differently that the geopolitical experts of Padded Room, as they’ve expressed a significant long-term commitment.

    The preamble:

    We, the Leaders of the Group of Seven (G7), are steadfast in our solidarity with Ukraine, and reaffirm our unwavering commitment to support the government and people of Ukraine in their courageous defence of their country’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, and in their fight for a peaceful, prosperous and democratic future. We welcome the European Council’s decision to grant the status of candidate country to Ukraine and Moldova. We will continue to provide financial, humanitarian, military and diplomatic support and stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes.

    To my novice eyes, this letter is hudge, plainly stating an unambiguous commitment, including military, through the end of the conflict and towards rebuilding Ukraine's military in whatever peace follows. It covers war crimes in detail, reconstruction, safe haven for political refugees, and more sanctions (with no discussion of when they might be lifted).

    Guess that this didn’t sit to well with ol’ Rootin’ Putin. Perhaps he sees it as sort of a de facto declaration of war, and maybe it is. Of course the G7 is not a sovereign entity and is incapable of waging war, but the intent is pretty fucking clear, eh? Even though the G7 is not binding on its members, it is still an economic forum. And if any member is found to be shirking, it opens them to fairly serious economic repercussions, and that is one of the few things that counts at this level. It’s a big fuckin’deal.

    So, what’s the upshot of all this? The people that actually matter aren’t (seriously at least) contemplating nuclear attack and are formulating long-ranging plans. And then, of course, NATO's upping their ante, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    more arms to Ukraine is the way out.
    No, giving arms to Ukraine is going to cause more deaths.

    Peace of the way to go, and Ukraine is going to have to give away something.

    Not right or fair, but that's the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    No, giving arms to Ukraine is going to cause more deaths.

    Peace of the way to go, and Ukraine is going to have to give away something.

    Not right or fair, but that's the reality.

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    rod is for rape, murder and genocide in the name of “peace” post #47

    its only reality as long as appeasers like you think it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    No, giving arms to Ukraine is going to cause more deaths.

    Peace of the way to go, and Ukraine is going to have to give away something.

    Not right or fair, but that's the reality.

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    They already gave up all their nuclear weapons in the 90s in exchange for peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    No, giving arms to Ukraine is going to cause more deaths.

    Peace of the way to go, and Ukraine is going to have to give away something.

    Not right or fair, but that's the reality.

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    this just gets more ridiculous every time you type it... do you get paid by the word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2711c View Post
    this just gets more ridiculous every time you type it... do you get paid by the word?
    hes just a dumbfuck contrarian that guzzles oppositional media that elides the fucking horrors of Russian occupation, and denies agency to Ukraine in the name of opposing hegemony. It’s a rabbit hole of stupid

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    Does it hurt, rod?
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