Ukraine

[dunfree]

Was it a ‘dumb’ missile, or just a shitty (but guided) missile?

every projectile is aimed somewhere, it’s gonna hit towards where the barrel is pointed or where you targeted before the trigger was pulled. How well does it do that is a question. The v-2 missiles of ww2 were “guided” missiles where 100% would fall within 11 miles of the target. Hurler was fine we’d with indiscriminate murder. This is little different. They don’t care how many civilians die deliberate or not.


seeing schoolkids get instruction on how to recognize bombs and booby traps is bullshit, and should never have to happen. Fuck Putin

[highangle]

every projectile is aimed somewhere, it’s gonna hit towards where the barrel is pointed or where you targeted before the trigger was pulled. How well does it do that is a question. The v-2 missiles of ww2 were “guided” missiles where 100% would fall within 11 miles of the target. Hurler was fine we’d with indiscriminate murder. This is little different. They don’t care how many civilians die deliberate or not.


seeing schoolkids get instruction on how to recognize bombs and booby traps is bullshit, and should never have to happen. Fuck Putin

"Fuck you Amerikinski! Father had to inform on rest of family to even eat Siege of Leningrad! Amerikinski weak! Russian strong!!"

[Viva]

Using a dumb missle to target a precise location in a heavily populated area is targeting civilians.

Boris, Kremlin say to cause mayhem in Poltava Oblast, what is prominent target?

Oh, here's Kredmash, we could hit that, I guess...

OK, what else?

Aha, shopping mall. Between them, dense population.

Is good Yuri, send it.

[dunfree]

Another exhibit in Russia is just shitty at war: Russia uses jets to bomb the stuff they couldn’t evacuate from Snake Island, 3/4 of which miss

[neufox47]

Anyone seen good resources for how many weapons Russia can produce with the sanctions in place? Eventually they will probably be able to create domestic alternatives to some of the goods but that will likely take years. Seems like Russia will be operating on a mix of modern and 1950s tech pretty soon.

Even the artillery, if you are using 60,000 shells a day, that’s a million rounds in 17 days. How many million rounds do they have?


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[ex-powderbroker]

this is relevant but short on facts:

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-puti...ma-law-1720957

[XavierD]

This is a war of attrition and Russia has more rounds than Ukraine has bodies to absorb them.

[J. Barron DeJong]

This is a war of attrition and Russia has more rounds than Ukraine has bodies to absorb them.

I don’t think it’s clear that’s the case. (Certainly hope it’s not.)

[XavierD]

From my observations, it is.

But they will kill a lot of Russians in the process so, cheers to that.

[J. Barron DeJong]

From my observations, it is.

But they will kill a lot of Russians in the process so, cheers to that.

For UKRs sake, I’m hoping you’re wrong on this one….

[XavierD]

Trucks/trains + Spare parts will be the limiting factor for the Russian war effort. Not munitions.

[dunfree]

Anyone seen good resources for how many weapons Russia can produce with the sanctions in place? Eventually they will probably be able to create domestic alternatives to some of the goods but that will likely take years. Seems like Russia will be operating on a mix of modern and 1950s tech pretty soon.

Even the artillery, if you are using 60,000 shells a day, that’s a million rounds in 17 days. How many million rounds do they have?


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upthread there’s a RUSI report with some weapons tear downs. The takeaway was anything modern (post 1990) requires some to a lot of western tech. All of which now embargoed to various success. Thereve been questions since the fall of the wall the capabilities of the remaining industry. Russia has megatons of ex soviet shit sitting around, hence the high failure rate, as well as the de facto tactics of terror and murder. They don’t have other capability

[jono]

Trucks/trains + Spare parts will be the limiting factor for the Russian war effort. Not munitions.

Trains apparently need air support these days. Now that they have HIMARS we need to get them longer range rockets to reach a couple of specific bridges. They've already shown off the blueprints.

[XavierD]

upthread there’s a RUSI report with some weapons tear downs. The takeaway was anything modern (post 1990) requires some to a lot of western tech. All of which now embargoed to various success. Thereve been questions since the fall of the wall the capabilities of the remaining industry. Russia has megatons of ex soviet shit sitting around, hence the high failure rate, as well as the de facto tactics of terror and murder. They don’t have other capability

Without going into specifics, Russia has withheld significant warfighting capabilities from this conflict. They are currently content to expend older capabilities and Russian (plus Ukrainian) life to avoid risk to higher capabilities.

[rideit]

Entertain us, and please go into specifics.

[J. Barron DeJong]

Weird that in Russia’s efforts to de-Nazify UKR, they’re importing and training Nazis for to fight against UKR:



https://twitter.com/usambosce/status...3D7IlSDbjtZ9ZA

[ex-powderbroker]

i heard russia is storing their flagship in a secret location.

[Cono Este]

This is a war of attrition and Russia has more rounds than Ukraine has bodies to absorb them.

100%

Of course we’ll be called names for pointing out the obvious.

The Germans had better tanks, better planes, better training, and lost the numbers war.




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[Cisco Kid]

Trucks/trains + Spare parts will be the limiting factor for the Russian war effort. Not munitions.

Blunting Germany's capability to resupply the Axis troops was as big a factor in winning as the Red Ball Express in supplying the Allies. My hope is for success with the new weapons systems on the way. Then the Ukes will be able accurately target the Ruskies long range weapons.

[neufox47]

https://www.thebulwark.com/how-to-co...n-ukraine/?amp

Interesting article about what Ukraine needs to do to counter Russian artillery


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[Cono Este]

Blunting Germany's capability to resupply the Axis troops was as big a factor in winning as the Red Ball Express in supplying the Allies. My hope is for success with the new weapons systems on the way. Then the Ukes will be able accurately target the Ruskies long range weapons.

That’s not going to happen. We’re not sending them enough, and if we sent them long range weapons to hit inside Russian supply lines the scope of the war would widen. Biden is not going to do that.

So we’ve basically limited what we’re sending them and tied one hand behind their back on conditions. Meanwhile Russia, which is directly next store, can do whatever they want including driving supplies right into Ukraine via rail.


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[jono]

A month ago you were sure the Ukrainians couldn't learn to use HIMARS, too.

[bennymac]

A month ago you were sure the Ukrainians couldn't learn to use HIMARS, too.

Let’s go a bit further back to when he said Ukraine was corrupt and full of Nazis

[ötzi]

Unguided artillery is great at smashing stuff that's just sitting there, not so much at hitting stuff that moves. Plus the Russians have mobility issues. Seems like getting out of the way while they smash empty shit and then coming back when they're trying to move their stuff around would be the play.

[Cono Este]

A month ago you were sure the Ukrainians couldn't learn to use HIMARS, too.

They are still having problems. Read that article about artillery.

You guys are nuts if you think you can learn that shit In a week.


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