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08-08-2022, 03:09 PM #8901
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08-08-2022, 03:33 PM #8902Rod9301
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CBS tweeted on Monday that it had removed a a video promoting the documentary that included a months-old quote saying most aid was not making it to Ukraine's front lines.
It said it was updating the documentary, called "Arming Ukraine," with "new information" about the delivery of military aid to Ukraine.
Among the material removed was a quote the founder of pro-Ukraine nonprofit Blue-Yellow, Jonas Ohman, who said in late April that only around 30% of aid was reaching the front lines in Ukraine.
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08-08-2022, 03:35 PM #8903Rod9301
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08-08-2022, 05:29 PM #8904
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08-08-2022, 06:31 PM #8906Rod9301
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There you go.
But seriously, my concern is that the weapons will end up with some terrorist group.
Solution is simple, have our people on the ground to verify and see where the weapons end up.
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08-08-2022, 06:49 PM #8907
The CBS report contained a lot of innuendo and not a lot of facts. Not only was the 30% number a mischaracterization of the situation. the number was in the context of nonlethal donated aid and not NATO provided weapons. It's also worth mentioning the CBS report was filmed eight weeks after the Russian invasion during the chaotic period when the main thrust of the war shifted to the Donbas region.
The facts are Ukraine makes use of the official NATO weapons tracking system and there are American and other NATO liaisons on the ground helping track NATO supplied weapons. Ukraine is also a moderately successful European country with it's own domestic weapons industry. The Stugna anti-tank guided missile and the missiles used to sink the Moskova were both developed in Ukraine, for example.
The real risk arises if Russia succeeds in its goal of turning Ukraine into a failed state.
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08-08-2022, 07:04 PM #8908Rod9301
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The 30 percent was really 70 percent missing.
So even if it wasn't all weapons, still this is a level of corruption that's hard to fathom.
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08-08-2022, 07:10 PM #8909
Per your own post above, CBS retracted the report and yet here you are still treating it as factual.
The 30% number quoted by Blue/Yellow had nothing to do with corruption, stolen supplies or the black market and everything to do with efficiency and difficulties getting supplies to the front lines.
If you watched the video, the small Blue/Yellow convoy delivering aid was forced to turn back after they came under Russian shelling. CBS edited the video with an entirely separate storyline to make it seem like the speculative concern of missing weapons was related to the real problem of delivering non-lethal aid to the front lines.
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08-08-2022, 07:25 PM #8910Rod9301
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Ok
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08-08-2022, 08:09 PM #8911
the 30% claim wasn’t about arms. And one of the other sources was AI who are kremlin shills that don’t understand war.
“Why won’t they give their arm delivery and kill chain documentation to us in the middle of a war?!” Why don’t they tell you prime military targets for publication. I guess if you didn’t need no education in school it’s a point.
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08-08-2022, 08:25 PM #8912
Right-wing media hacks also cherry-picked the CBS retraction and the Blue/Yellow explanation, leaving out important details, to insinuate the administration is involved in a cover up, all in service of clicks and their petty partisan purposes.
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08-08-2022, 08:39 PM #8913
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...pow-stuck-pole
Horrific video and photos have emerged that appear to show the head of a Ukrainian prisoner of war stuck on a pole outside a house in the eastern Ukrainian city of Popasna, which was captured by Russian forces in May and is close to the current frontline in the Donbas.
The head of Russia's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Protection Troops nuclear power plant, Major General Valery Vasiliev, claimed that Russians had mined the nuclear power plant, according to Energoatam, a Ukrainian state nuclear agency.
“There will be either Russian land or a scorched desert,” Vasiliev said, according to Energoatam. “The enemy knows that the station will be either Russian or no one's. We are ready for the consequences of this step.”
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08-08-2022, 09:16 PM #8914
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08-09-2022, 12:08 AM #8915
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08-09-2022, 06:38 AM #8916
Some additional stuff coming out about the Amnesty report - apparently it used a lot of material from occupied territories that likely was "massaged" by the FSB - https://twitter.com/yarko/status/1556645999556415488?
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08-09-2022, 07:56 AM #8917
Russian controlled Saki airbase in Crimea go boom 200 km away from Ukraine controlled land.
https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1...I2JRD4eTQ&s=19
Russians on vacation enjoying a pleasant beach day.
https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/st...D8xTlXy3g&s=19
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08-09-2022, 09:00 AM #8918"So where do you want to go on holiday?"
"Near a valid military target!"
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08-09-2022, 09:05 AM #8919"We don't beat the reaper by living longer, we beat the reaper by living well and living fully." - Randy Pausch
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08-09-2022, 09:13 AM #8920Aim for the chopping block. If you aim for the wood, you will have nothing. Aim past the wood, aim through the wood.
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08-09-2022, 10:10 AM #8921
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08-09-2022, 10:20 AM #8922
Ukraine
Good angle airport explosion https://twitter.com/Sharman2Pam/stat...447eMOLc73Vd5w
Scroll that guys feed for videos.
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08-09-2022, 10:36 AM #8923
Short of an analysis / report from Ukraine’s military accountants and logistics, how would anyone know that 30% of military equipment is making it to the front lines? They intentionally keep this shit secret. What do you expect, a public ledger of where the military put their supplies and how much of it?
It also seems a bit incredulous that a nation in a fight for its survival is allowing any significant amount of supplies and equipment to be siphoned off by corruption.
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08-09-2022, 10:39 AM #8924
A lot of stuff went missing during WWII. No doubt stuff has gone missing in Ukraine. But that's not what 30% number in the CBS video was about. The quote "30% reached the front line" referred to the delivery success rate of reaching the front lines at the time. It's a supply chain issue not a stolen goods issue.
It makes sense when you think about it. Early in the war when you're still trying to figure things out and the Russians are shelling your supply convoys delivering goods is understandably difficult. Just like cargo stacked up at U.S. ports last year under duress caused by the pandemic, a similar thing happened in Ukraine under duress of a Russian invasion.
The CBS video shows the enormous risk various groups like Blue/Yellow are taking to deliver supplies in a war zone.
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08-09-2022, 11:01 AM #8925
I'm not following close enough to know where the 30% number came from but I knew any number was bullshit relative to the real story. I know a lady who just retired as a Col in military logistics. Bet if I asked her, she would tell me that "shrinkage" is expected and accounted for. OTOH, ask the guy in the trench how many bullets he needs and the answer would be "More. By yesterday".
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