Ukraine

[Cono Este]

Ukraine says they will accept no ceasefire or peace agreement that gives any of their territory away.

Good for them. Why give away part of your country when you are winning the war?


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Dude, I don’t think there is such a thing as winning any war. I hope you are right, I hope they push them back into Russia and then everyone just quits, but I don’t see that happening without somekind of negotiation.


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[Toadman]

Dude, I don’t think there is such a thing as winning any war. I hope you are right, I hope they push them back into Russia and then everyone just quits, but I don’t see that happening without somekind of negotiation.


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Russia never met a negotiated settlement that they didn't eventually break.

[summit]

Kissinger is not wrong about considering balance of power and avoiding pushing Russia into China's arms.

The question is who is doing that pushing and whether it is avoidable.

It seems to me that Putin is doing the pushing and it is inevitable.

[dunfree]

Russia will never be partner in an alliance with the PRC, they’ll be a vassal state. That would be bad for US strategic interests, but also likely Russian interests. Kissinger is held in regard in Beijing as well, far disproportionately to his relevance, and one wonders if this isn’t saying what they want to hear/tell as well.

[TahoeJ]

Fuck Kissinger. Full stop.

[rideit]

Fuck Kissinger. Full stop.

Eww. But there is probably a fetish website for that somewhere.

[TahoeJ]

Eww. But there is probably a fetish website for that somewhere.

Umm… well that’s where your head went. Ok. Hey to each their own.

[Toadman]

Next time you complain about your commute thinking it can't get any worse...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...ile_artillery/

[summit]

Next time you complain about your commute thinking it can't get any worse...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...ile_artillery/

OMG why would someone stop and get out? Keep driving!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bunion 2020]

Dr Kissinger said the war must not be allowed to drag on for much longer, and came close to calling on the West to bully Ukraine into accepting negotiations on terms that fall very far short of its current war aims.

Henry can go fuck himself. It is up to the UKR to make these decisions. They will never get Russia to "surrender". They may take down Putin and eventually Russia will leave.

[Toadman]

OMG why would someone stop and get out? Keep driving!!!!!!!!!!!

It's like pulling over at Yellowstone to get a photo of a geyser going off. The sound of those artillery rounds going over head is surreal. Next time someone honks at me, I won't get so agitated. But if I hear that sound of artillery rounds inbound, I might. Easy to see how soldiers coming back from combat have PTSD.

[Cono Este]

Russia never met a negotiated settlement that they didn't eventually break.

Even worse.

So how does it end?


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[jono]

Even worse.

So how does it end?

With a strip of scorched earth between the artillery pieces and no one approaching the border from either side. Land mines, loitering UAV's, barrage balloons and randomly located missiles sitting close behind and along all the beaches. The morons in Russia still think they're the greater because they really, really sat out Korea.

[dunfree]

That’s kinda how 2014 ended and Ukraine doesn’t seem willing to live with that because Putin didn’t learn and neither did the West then

the scale of Russian materiale losses is insane

[PB]

I'm hoping for a public uprising, balcony hanging of all oligarchs + Putin and his inner circle, and annexation by Lithuania.

[Cono Este]

I don’t think it really ends until Putin is dead.

Sometimes you have to buy time.




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[Tri-Ungulate]

Henry can go fuck himself.

His ongoing existence is testament to "good things happen to bad people". Why is that evil relic still alive?

[rod9301]

You may not like Kissinger, but he's right

The west needs to do a lot more to facilitate peace talks.



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[ötzi]

Yeah, it's all on us. Wait.

[rideit]

You may not like Kissinger, but he's right

The west needs to do a lot more to facilitate peace talks.

You mean like arming the fuck outta Ukraine? Seems to kinda be working, actually.

[ex-powderbroker]

You may not like Kissinger, but he's right

The west needs to do a lot more to facilitate peace talks.



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IT'S BRANDON'S FAULT!1!!

“Those who conceived this war want only one thing — to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity,” Mr. Bondarev said in an email to colleagues on Monday morning. “To achieve that they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes.”

[The Suit]

IT'S BRANDON'S FAULT!1!!

“Those who conceived this war want only one thing — to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity,” Mr. Bondarev said in an email to colleagues on Monday morning. “To achieve that they are willing to sacrifice as many lives as it takes.”

That seems like more than one thing. At least three things. Maybe more.

[Cono Este]

You may not like Kissinger, but he's right

The west needs to do a lot more to facilitate peace talks.



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I don’t understand how anyone cannot be an advocate for peace talks. If anything, it buys time to strengthen Ukraine. Lines in the Donbas were held for 8 yrs and no one gave a shit. Another 8 yrs and that fuck will be dead or gone.




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[TahoeJ]

I don’t think it really ends until Putin is dead.

This has been my take from the beginning.

[schuss]

You may not like Kissinger, but he's right

The west needs to do a lot more to facilitate peace talks.



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Why? How?
Putin is hell bent on destroying Ukraine for no other reason than his own ego. Any treaty or agreement will be broken whenever is convenient for him. It's not like he doesn't know how to reach out. Any blame put upon the west for not pursuing peace is a pure Russian perspective. Will more people die unnecessarily? Sure, but that being avoided is up to Putin. I don't exactly like Ukraine's chances if a peace is put in, as Putin will immediately put assassins in play so he can sock puppet Ukraine. Like he's already tried before.

Let them break themselves upon the rocks. The only group to blame at any point for the war continuing is Putin and Russia. They can go home at any time.