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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Putin View Post
    “Do we really want, here, in our country, in Russia, instead of ‘mum’ and ‘dad’, to have ‘parent number one’, ‘parent number two’, ‘number three’? Have they gone completely insane? Do we really want … it drilled into children in our schools … that there are supposedly genders besides women and men, and [children to be] offered the chance to undergo sex change operations? … We have a different future, our own future.”
    I think i heard the same talking points at CPAC


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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
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    Shit so would I. Where do I sign up?

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    First Lady of Ukraine, Olena Zelenska on 60 Minutes. She if kind and amazing woman.
    "Let's be careful out there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
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    Only if they will annex Texas as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennymac View Post
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    If we could give away the Deep South and Texas I’d be more than happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summit View Post
    Holy shit UKR is so far inside the Russian OODA loop that they are just flailing and collapsing.

    UKR thrust in divison+ strength around the Rus flank NE of Kherson has caused route or encirclement of multiple Russian brigades.

    In Luhansk the Russians have thier supply lines cut and are threatened with encirclement which will force retreat to Severodonetsk.

    I think UKR took 1000+sqkm in the last 24 hours.

    If momentum continues, if UKR can take Kherson before winter, it will be a massive strategic defeat for Russia. Svatove also seems quite achievable. The next sensible push would be a spring push to Melitopol.
    This is amazing. Keep pushing Ukraine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Looking at the map/sat view in that region. I see one (2-lane) paved road near the Dnipro, mucho ag lands, and sparse narrow dirt/gravel roads connecting small villages. The next closest paved road appears to be 15-20 miles, roughly where Davydiv Brid is, e.g. the frontline since March. So, if it's rained recently and there's mud, there's pretty much one passable road for heavy vehicles. If it hasn't rained, cross-country is passable for tracked vehicles. Whether it's passable for wheeled vehicles depends what the farmers have been doing - doesn't take too many plow passes to turn rich soil into two feet of fine dust. Lotta yapping to say Ukraine fArmed Services may play a role.
    Last edited by LongShortLong; 10-04-2022 at 12:21 PM. Reason: Correct spelling of Dnipro

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    Meanwhile, 800 mobik got dumped in an empty field in Russia, with nothing, so they grillin and chillin
    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1576689398296760321
    troops like this will definitely turn the war for you Vladimir, send thousands more to their death.

    Also good comedy today when Russia found out 1.5 million winter uniforms are “missing” from the warehouse. Sure. Anyways, surely that wouldn’t happen to weapons, right concerned este?
    Just one of those M30a1 missiles or a few artillery rounds would take almost 100% of them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Just one of those M30a1 missiles or a few artillery rounds would take almost 100% of them out.
    So blood sausages is it now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casey E View Post
    So blood sausages is it now?
    if that’s your thing there’s video of pigs eating dead Russian soldiers. Because Putin DNGAF

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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    Just one of those M30a1 missiles or a few artillery rounds would take almost 100% of them out.
    I wonder if they’re dead by the time we see these videos?

    This is a weird war in the sense that it’s the first somewhat symmetrical war (surprisingly) of the digital age. Iraq 2 didn’t feature a whole lot of artillery exchanges and they certainly didn’t have a remotely cohesive military after the first few weeks. Afghanistan was the definition of asymmetrical. But this feels different in its composition and scope.

    If those aforementioned numbers are to be believed, Russia has lost more soldiers since February than we did in the entire Vietnam war….that is a bloody thing. Yet we follow it on Twitter, here, etc. and it plays out a bit like a drama. You can get different footage from different sources almost in real time and the video available is stunning.

    I’m having a hard time articulating this but it’s surreal knowing there’s a very intense, bloody, mechanized war going on, and we comment, cheer and lament from our couches on iPhones—-sort of like we’re watching a staged drama or sporting event. Not belittling our collective passion or beliefs, just feeling like the whole thing is a bit remarkable in a digital way.

    Anyhow, fuck Russia.
    "All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring."

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    The normalizing of horrors as a result of that will be a significant problem. Russia's civilian support for war in general follows a generation of cheering on their team as the latest adventure plays out on TV, disbelief suspended and moral ambiguity (at best) denied. Obviously I prefer knowing which side I support and why, but this is not progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cspringsposer View Post
    Only if they will annex Texas as well.
    Take all the Gulf states too, it’d be like Canada’s Crimea


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    Anybody have Zalinskyy becomes President of Russia on their 2022 Bingo Card?
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ötzi View Post
    Shit so would I. Where do I sign up?
    Why wait, just pack up and move to Canada now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Anybody have Zalinskyy becomes President of Russia on their 2022 Bingo Card?
    Wut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Anybody have Zalinskyy becomes President of Russia on their 2022 Bingo Card?
    Hot take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater View Post
    I wonder if they’re dead by the time we see these videos?

    This is a weird war in the sense that it’s the first somewhat symmetrical war (surprisingly) of the digital age. Iraq 2 didn’t feature a whole lot of artillery exchanges and they certainly didn’t have a remotely cohesive military after the first few weeks. Afghanistan was the definition of asymmetrical. But this feels different in its composition and scope.

    If those aforementioned numbers are to be believed, Russia has lost more soldiers since February than we did in the entire Vietnam war….that is a bloody thing. Yet we follow it on Twitter, here, etc. and it plays out a bit like a drama. You can get different footage from different sources almost in real time and the video available is stunning.

    I’m having a hard time articulating this but it’s surreal knowing there’s a very intense, bloody, mechanized war going on, and we comment, cheer and lament from our couches on iPhones—-sort of like we’re watching a staged drama or sporting event. Not belittling our collective passion or beliefs, just feeling like the whole thing is a bit remarkable in a digital way.

    Anyhow, fuck Russia.
    I've tried to reconcile the weirdness of it in my head and failed. Surreal is also the word I come up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Wut?
    That is why I have him on ignore. Almost every post it is just mind numbing...
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    Yea... the problem is that while Ukraine has morale and momentum, and the Russians have neither, there are some natural pauses that will likely occur in the Ukranian counteroffensive.

    What could still happen before winter?

    Can UKR push RU off the west bank of the Dnieper? Probably, but only if Russia will abandon Kherson instead of turning it into a Mariupol.

    Can UKR push RU out of most of Norther Luhansk? Possible to likely.

    Can UKR put Donetsk under siege? Probably.

    The problem is that Russia still holds HUGE amounts (19%) of UKR territory and there are some major defensive barriers UKR is running into: rivers and larger urban areas. Assaulting across a massive river like the Dniepr into Kherson Oblast in the face of a prepared enemy is one of the hardest operations I could imagine short of assaulting a defended coast from blue water (only the US can do this). A contested cross river assault is something the Russians have failed at more than once in this campaign.

    Russia will in the meanwhile be able to reinforce their lines with canon fodder, which works OK for meatgrinder operations that advantage the low-trained defender: defending a trench or city.

    There will have to be a spring offensive and in the face of even larger Russian manpower. To defeat that it is best to cut off Russian forces.

    To cut supply to those areas, UKR could start a new offensive in the spring thrusting south from Zaporizhzhia to seize Melitopol and the GLOC to Kherson and Crimea. This must be coupled with UKR striking the Kerch Bridge, which will really piss off Russia. Doing this, or even looking like they might be successful, will force Russia to rattle their sabers harder than ever and pull everything back from Kherson and Crimea in a fighting retreat to the Donbass, or they will be cut off and fight to the last, surrender, or go to the bargaining table.

    Doesn't show the most recent Ukrainian gains, but shows the swath Russia controls and where the cities/roads are. Here https://www.instagram.com/p/CjO0UTmKjyk/?hl=en or Wikicommons and ISW have more detailed and up to date maps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blurred
    skiing is hiking all day so that you can ski on shitty gear for 5 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SumJongGuy View Post
    Anybody have Zalinskyy becomes President of Russia on their 2022 Bingo Card?
    Quote Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong View Post
    Or more likely after the masses depose Putin they free Alexei Navalny as interim President.
    Go that way really REALLY fast. If something gets in your way, TURN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater View Post
    I’m having a hard time articulating this but it’s surreal knowing there’s a very intense, bloody, mechanized war going on, and we comment, cheer and lament from our couches on iPhones—-sort of like we’re watching a staged drama or sporting event. Not belittling our collective passion or beliefs, just feeling like the whole thing is a bit remarkable in a digital way.

    Anyhow, fuck Russia.
    “ Soldier and civilian, they died in their tens of thousands because death had been concocted for them, morality hitched like a halter round the warhorse so that we could talk about 'target-rich environments' and 'collateral damage' - that most infantile of attempts to shake off the crime of killing - and report the victory parades, the tearing down of statues and the importance of peace.
    Governments like it that way. They want their people to see war as a drama of opposites, good and evil, 'them' and 'us', victory or defeat. But war is primarily not about victory or defeat but about death and the infliction of death. It represents a total failure of the human spirit.”

    -Robert Fisk

    I think this whole war porn thing gets a little harder for people when they stop and realize that maybe that young person getting snuffed out by a UAV delivered grenade on video might have been a poorly trained anti-war conscript pulled from their hiding spot in a refrigerator the week before and not an “Orc”. Same for the Russians who get snippets and realize they aren’t fighting “Nazis”.

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    The problem with the anti-war conscript narrative is polls and first hand accounts show Russian support for the war, just not for fighting in it themselves. It's not so much pro or anti anything as it is unthinking passivity that morphs into unthinking cruelty resulting in the mass slaughter of civilians. The Orc pejorative is well earned.

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