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    Keep in mind Russia still has a significant numerical advantage in terms of artillery, manpower, and equipment on the battlefield of Ukraine. In places along the front Russians outnumber Ukrainians 7-to-1.

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    So, it's about even?

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    Yep

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    There was a lot of discussion and push back in this thread about Russian acts of genocide in Ukraine: A panel of 33 international legal scholars and experts has concluded that Russia is “responsible for direct and public incitement to commit genocide”.

    The experts find a “genocidal pattern of destruction targeting Ukrainians” with mass killings of civilians, including executions; rape and sexual violence; indiscriminate bombardment; “deliberate attacks on shelters, evacuation routes, and humanitarian corridors”; sieges; and forcible transfer of Ukrainians.

    One of the experts, Tanya Domi of the Columbia University School of International and Public Affairs, says, “I’ve never seen anything like this report this early during a conflict. I think the documentation of crimes in Ukraine outstrips anything that we’ve seen in the recent past.”

    The International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor Karim Khan is leading an investigation of war crimes and can bring charges of genocide. He and his team have visited sites of mass killing such as Bucha, northwest of Kyiv, where hundreds of civilians were slain — some of them executed, with hands bound their backs — by occupying Russian troops.

    https://eaworldview.com/2022/05/ukra...ssia-genocide/

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    Damn, this video is intense. I guess there's another one with this same team destroying an APC or something similar a few days later

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-line-ukraine/

    These Brits and Yanks are bad ass.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...tm_name=iossmf
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    Obvious propoganda is obvious, but the fact that they're going to this effort to create it should be all the proof anyone needs of the Russian state's intent to motivate Russians toward genocide:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/dkaleniuk...44810837311489

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    Damn, this video is intense. I guess there's another one with this same team destroying an APC or something similar a few days later

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-line-ukraine/

    These Brits and Yanks are bad ass.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...tm_name=iossmf

    Royal Marines don't fuck around. They're not like US Marines, but specialists in small unit actions and commando techniques. They're also hardhat divers, frogmen, freefallers, forward air controllers. Some of their commando brigades have 100% acceptance rates into SBS/SAS. The Royal Marines get the best gear and the best training, and they're always squared away because, like the US Marines, they're the first to go when the shtf.

    They also have to pass an interview with a board of NCOs to get badged. If the Royal Marines don't think a chap has a civilized deportment, a winning smile, or a big enough chest, they send him to elocution school, the dentist, the weight room - before he can get his beret and get assigned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MultiVerse View Post
    Keep in mind Russia still has a significant numerical advantage in terms of artillery, manpower, and equipment on the battlefield of Ukraine. In places along the front Russians outnumber Ukrainians 7-to-1.
    A lot of these fights are for strategic terrain with entrenched positions and road junctions. Artillery duels. [The civilized world [aka The West] needs to ass up with some loitering munitions and counterbattery radars here.]

    Making Яussia great again with the techniques of their grandfathers: systematic mass artillery bombardments followed by massed tanks and APCs full of cannon fodder orc dismounts with orders to shoot every fucking thing they can't rape.

    But Ukraine has some good supply chains, and large and very willing army learning things like supply and logistics, and military drone/counterdrone operations...

    You know Ukraine was the best deal on a college education in Europe, right?

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    Those vids should play on the news every day. I've wondered if night raids at the front of the front and beyond are still a thing like in WWII? My dad accidently volunteered to go on one. But only once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    This is exactly why we should be focusing on cutting demand. We're 2 years out from being paid to take oil off their hands when demand fell far enough. We need to stop being ok with buying $6 gas and start being ok NOT buying it.

    The Saudis are giving soft help to the Russians by keeping production down in the hope that a crisis in the US will go well for the guy they just "loaned" $2B. If that works for them, what's the next move? MBS is about done cementing power and we're teaching him how to treat us. I don't care how cynically pro-Trump you are, MBS is likely to outlast a generation of American politicians and no one is going to be glad they made a deal with that devil.

    So there are no good options, only less bad. Cutting demand is easily the least bad. Gas tax now.
    Could not agree with you more. Now is the time for the country to invest whatever $ is needed for renewable energy and end any and all reliance on Saudi Arabia and OPEC. Our entire society would reap the benefit of such investment for generations to come. The faster oil becomes worthless, the faster murderous dictators like Putin and MBS become irrelevant.

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    Just imagine if we spent the Iraq war budget on renewable energy…


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    No shit

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    Dropping say $40B on the renewable industry might do more to defang the Russians in the long term than weapons will

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    Preach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ötzi View Post
    Dropping say $40B on the renewable industry might do more to defang the Russians in the long term than weapons will
    I have no idea if that is true, it would do a LOT for this country.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Or dropping 40 billion on preventing forest fires. Which would help the environment and people. But unrealistic, seeing how powerful the weapons lobby is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadman View Post
    Damn, this video is intense. I guess there's another one with this same team destroying an APC or something similar a few days later

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...-line-ukraine/

    These Brits and Yanks are bad ass.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...tm_name=iossmf
    Bobby Stainless should join them


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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    Or dropping 40 billion on preventing forest fires. Which would help the environment and people. But unrealistic, seeing how powerful the weapons lobby is.

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    Whaaaaaaat?
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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    Man, I could spend 40 billion on good shit...The world would be so much better if somebody were to give me 40 billion dollars!


    Ukraine news – live: Russia has depleted its modernised equipment, military analyst says

    LIVE – Updated at 08:33
    Ukrainian military analyst Oleh Zhdanov has said Russia’s aggressive push in Donbas and other parts of Ukraine could backfire as it has depleted its modernised equipment.
    He said Russia was deploying 50-year-old T-62 tanks “which means that the second army of the world has run out of modernised equipment.”
    The analyst’s comment comes as Russia is also reportedly mulling redeploying troops in Kyiv.


    UK’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) also said the Soviet-era T-62 tanks, which are up to 60-years-old, have been taken out of “deep storage” to be used in southern Ukraine, where Russian troops are seeking to occupy the seized territory.
    The MoD said these tanks are “particularly vulnerable” to anti-tank weapons, adding that the move to use them points to “Russia’s shortage of modern, combat-ready equipment”.
    Meanwhile, Ukraine said its forces may retreat from their last pockets in Luhansk city in the East to avoid being captured by advancing Russian forces.
    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says it is vital that the West send more heavy weaponry to Ukraine as Russia is making “palpable progress” in the country’s East.
    Key Points

    • Russia considers new attack on Kyiv
    • Putin’s troops making ‘palpable progress’ in Donbas - Johnson
    • West should send Ukraine more heavy artillery, UK PM says
    • Use of US long-range rockets would cross red line, warns Russia
    • Russia forced to re-mobilise Soviet-era T-62 tanks due to losses

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    Quote Originally Posted by ötzi View Post
    Dropping say $40B on the renewable industry might do more to defang the Russians in the long term than weapons will
    itll undermine funding for putins war machine but not change the aims

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    Long term = 20-30 years; Ukraine a distant memory by then. Need to do both. But don't include chewing gum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ötzi View Post
    Dropping say $40B on the renewable industry might do more to defang the Russians in the long term than weapons will
    $40b is a drop in the bucket. The $2T we spent on Iraq is almost half the estimated cost to completely switch to renewables.

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    Who estimates this shit?

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    Ukraine

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    Who estimates this shit?
    That was MIT. It doesn’t pretend to be exact. $5.7 T.


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    Quote Originally Posted by neufox47 View Post
    That was MIT. It doesn’t pretend to be exact. $5.7 T.


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    So...A little less than $16,285 a knob?

    Yeah...Way low.

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