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07-04-2022, 02:51 PM #8376
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07-04-2022, 03:05 PM #8377
forget so quick?
I proffer that Russia doesn’t have much of a choice. They can trade artillery or quit. Quitting now is bad for the rulers who are still trying to find an objective that will let them declare victory. Their military demonstrated it isn’t capable of significant combined arms. It’s just big dumb guns like 1915. They aren’t content, they are stuck
think how insane “Russia has the capability of complete air superiority with minimal losses, but is happy just murdering their civilians and territorial objectives, because they want to get rid of old shit” sounds
and you’ve never countered the Russian inability to manufacture modern arms without a western supply chain. They are hollow
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07-04-2022, 03:16 PM #8378
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07-04-2022, 03:17 PM #8379
Again what’s my narrative?
I’m offering my assessment based on my experience with Ukrainian military, observations, and analysis of others assessments. Most of whom are former/current western military or intelligence officials. Not social media reports. Ukraine has done an excellent job of controlling the narrative that is reaching back to the west on this. They are doing a great job of keeping news of Ukrainian casualties and losses quite.
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07-04-2022, 03:40 PM #8380
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07-04-2022, 03:41 PM #8381
How many men and women did Ukraine conscript in the beginning of this latest Russian invasion? A couple million or more, right?
Some have been through basic and ait or weapons already, and are on the lines much better trained, equipped, disciplined, and motivated than their orcish counterparts.
Numbers? Ukraine is fighting for you and me and the rest of the civilized world who won't suffer the yoke of imperial aggression. NATO will not let Ukraine fall, even with T*&^% in the White House [which is guaranteed not to happen now, with T*&^%'s SCOTUS]. The brilliant strategist Putain should have known this...
Russia ~150ish million
NATO ~ a billionish, and more than 50x the industrial might
What would Sun Tsu say, sir? "Go nukular and end the world?" meh
What Russian say? "I push Big Button to end world and Disneyland because Bald Head not able to further latest ambition?" Nyet
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07-04-2022, 03:43 PM #8382
super secret ones he can’t tell you about.
yea Xavier Ukraine has well shaped a narrative and somewhat an information flow. Russia has also attempted this and largely failed because of failures in the flow vs reality. I’m sure though russia could win tomorrow if they wanted
and they are so super smart they can recombinate western tech into unbeatable weapons. Look for a different pipeline, analyst is like influencer
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07-04-2022, 03:49 PM #8383
Have I ever once said we should stop supporting Ukraine with weapons?
I’m pretty sure I acknowledged Russia is Soldier for Soldier tactically worse than Ukraine is. They still have a fuck ton of men weapons and equipment. Ukrainians are fighting for their survival. They are highly motivated. They are still pretty fucking terrible at fighting by NATO standards. Russia is just worse.
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07-04-2022, 03:51 PM #8384
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07-04-2022, 04:12 PM #8385
Have you ever seen NATO fight a rear guard action? I don't recall one...
Look at the fkn rent these militias are charging for their territory. Russia captures rubble, and has lost close to 40k orcs, some of whom die cornered in piles, some who are struck down while livestreaming... Thousands of tanks and hundreds of helicopters...They lost the information war before it started. The whole fucking world is against Russia, who has conveniently labeled us all "Nazis" anyway... lol, don't read too much into their press releases, mate.
Biggest danger is getting Qanonified and intellectually peasantized like the old Russians, with their Cambridge Analytica-engineered fantasy bubble.
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07-04-2022, 06:20 PM #8386man of ice
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Thing I read said Russia is just trying to keep this afloat until it starts to get cold so they can try to squeeze Europe to cut the weapons flow in exchange for gas.
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07-04-2022, 07:02 PM #8387
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07-04-2022, 08:23 PM #8388
high value and high tech yet highly dependent on resources from a known enemy.
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07-04-2022, 08:45 PM #8389
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07-05-2022, 03:52 PM #8390
Yeah, for all the discussion about which side has a military advantage I think it's important to recognize the outcome is a policy choice. The Western pro-Ukraine alliance has something like a 40-to-1 GDP advantage versus Russia.
Russia's numerical superiority was not decisive when its armed forces were still pursuing a totally unrealistic war plan ("we take Kiev & they surrender." ) Now massed Russian artillery is grinding down Ukraine's forces. Too few Western 155mm howitzers and shells have arrived.
But Russia is really just a continent-sized Florida with nukes. They can't win a conventional war against the West unless the West decides not to fight, for whatever reason.
And the outcome should matter a great deal to the West. Not so much to prevent Russia from invading other European countries in the future, but because if Russia turns the Black Sea into a Russian lake that will change the balance of power in the Middle East and Africa. Russia aligned with Turkey and Iran and in control of key regional commodities like food staples and petroleum would be problematic to say the least.
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07-05-2022, 06:08 PM #8391Rod9301
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07-05-2022, 06:17 PM #8392
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07-05-2022, 06:21 PM #8393
I don’t think anyone here wants a war between NATO and Russia.
It would appear Russia doesn’t want that either:
https://twitter.com/iaponomarenko/st...xkJVPopHvtwE5Q
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07-05-2022, 06:28 PM #8394
If you mean not having NATO or other Western aligned countries in direct conflict with Russia then I think your view is aligned with the vast majority.
If you mean not responding to Russian attacks on the West and Western interests then I think your view is in the minority.
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07-05-2022, 08:09 PM #8395
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07-05-2022, 10:34 PM #8396Know of a pair of Fischer Ranger 107Ti 189s (new or used) for sale? PM me.
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07-06-2022, 06:27 AM #8397
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07-06-2022, 09:08 AM #8398
Yeah that’s what’s so weird. Rod’s online persona (I’d like to ski with him sometime) was always solid, but he posts some bizarre shit in this thread only.
Know of a pair of Fischer Ranger 107Ti 189s (new or used) for sale? PM me.
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07-06-2022, 11:09 AM #8399
Royal United Services Institute summary of the current state of war:
Ukraine has the will to achieve the operational defeat of the Russian military. At present, however, several Russian advantages and Ukrainian weaknesses are leading to an attritional conflict that risks a protracted war, eventually favouring Russia.
• Russian electronic warfare (EW) is denying Ukraine a sufficiently fast kill chain to destroy Russia’s artillery.
• Russian artillery is fixing the Ukrainian military and preventing the Ukrainians from concentrating to undertake offensive manoeuvre.
• Russian cruise missiles are imposing a high economic and political cost on Ukraine.
• A shortage of skilled infantry and armoured operators is limiting Ukraine’s
offensive combat power.
• Limited staff capacity is limiting Ukraine’s ability to plan and execute combined
operations at scale.
Ukraine’s international partners have the ability to reverse these dynamics to enable Ukraine to retake its lost territory. This cannot be achieved through the piecemeal delivery of a large number of different fleets of equipment, each with separate training, maintenance and logistical needs. Instead, Ukraine’s partners should rationalise the support they provide around a small number of platforms. Ukraine’s key capability requirements are:
• Anti-radiation seekers for loitering munitions to suppress or destroy Russian EW complexes.
• Multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) to target and destroy Russian logistics and
ammunition stockpiles to starve Russian artillery of ammunition.
• 155-mm howitzers and ammunition to prevent Russian troop concentration and support
Ukrainian troop concentrations.
• Secure communications systems.
• Anti-tank guided weapons and man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS).
• Protected mobility to enable Ukrainian troops to manoeuvre under artillery threat.
• Point defences to protect critical infrastructure.
It is also necessary for Ukraine to receive training at scale to form new units able to undertake offensive operations and to receive staff and junior leadership training to support the orchestration of combined arms offensive manoeuvre.
Full report: https://static.rusi.org/special-repo...inal-web_0.pdf
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07-06-2022, 11:18 AM #8400
Russian soldier shoots an abandoned S-300 anti-aircraft missile system with a 7.62mm round at close range:
https://t.me/milinfolive/86458
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